New Alaska Negotiations Thread

[Going2Baja]

I think that's why they're not fighting for the bottom guys right now. They're too busy playing nice for the mediator to put up a fuss about the furloughees.

Yep....And why would I give a rip about a new contract if they won't defend the one we have now. Our MEC sucks balls - BIG SOUR BALLS!

Oh yeah - To the tool that said they wouldn't move a car without the home.....They will.....Monkey! Grieve it or take it....Bookmark the grievance page and use it often.

Baja.

 

[Mookie]

Yep....And why would I give a rip about a new contract if they won't defend the one we have now. Our MEC sucks balls - BIG SOUR BALLS!

Baja.

Dude, I know you are a bitter socal guy and don't represent the vast majority of that group, but unless you have a real reason to make such statements, seriously, you are making yourself look like a bitter ass. B.S. (our MEC), while not perfect, is a hell of a guy, and if you think he sucks balls, then maybe it was your balls he's been sucking...seriously, is there anything that you don't complain about here?? why on earth did you come to alaska??

mookie

 

[Fubijaakr]

I gotta agree with you, Mookie.

Seriously, we have the SINGLE MOST EXPERIENCED guy at the helm when it comes to negotiating with the Company. He's the guy, if you remember, who won the -900 arbitration.

Personally, I think the length of the furloughs will depend on when we sign the new contract. Just like Air Tran, these furloughed pilots are hostages, pure and simple.

THE COMPANY CAN'T STAFF OUR REDUCED FLYING NOW!

And we have guys on furlough?

What is it about those two facts that people can't put together?

BTW, did any of you guys screaming "Anything less than pre-Kasher is concessionary" happen to notice that the economy is in the toilet? Or the fact that there are 1875 qualified airline pilots on furlough from AA alone? Or that Virgin American has no lack of candidates to fly their 'buses for 2/3rds of our Captain rate?

Personally, I think its time to lock in a contract until the economy turns around and get our furloughed guys back on the property. How much you want to bet that they're all back within a month of signing the contract? Summer's coming.

 

[Fubijaakr]

I think that's why they're not fighting for the bottom guys right now. They're too busy playing nice for the mediator to put up a fuss about the furloughees.

I disagree, Crunk. Exactly what has the Company done with regard to the furloughees that is outside the scope of Sec. 23? Cite me a couple examples, please.

 

[Ocity]

I gotta agree with you, Mookie.



Personally, I think its time to lock in a contract until the economy turns around and get our furloughed guys back on the property. How much you want to bet that they're all back within a month of signing the contract? Summer's coming.

Do you realize that you are working under an agreement that was originally signed in 1997? There is no "short term" agreement to be had here. The economy will improve. It always does. If you sign a crappy deal now just because you're scared, you are going to cough up 1/3rd of your working life to a bad deal. I suggest you take a much longer term view of Alaska Airlines and turn off cnbc for awhile.

Sure. Being on furlough sucks. I did it for 5 years. HOWEVER, they are a part of airline life. It's a risk that we all assume be doing this work. You said it yourself...summer is coming. It would be foolish to sign a BS contract for 10 years just to get 45 guys back to work 6 months early. Make sure they have something worth coming back to!

 

[NWaviator]

For what it's worth: 20 captains are retiring this month.

 

[Green]

As far as I can tell, we're asking for captains to get a raise slightly ahead of inflation. For F/Os we're asking for 9% initially, plus cola.

On the one hand, what we're asking for is embarrassing. On the other hand, we have two companies up our a$$ on the west coast that pay their captains less than half our pre-Kasher rate.

wow that sucks....9%??????? People are satisfied with that? Who doesn't have competition to worry about? SWA just signed off on 220/hr or so and there fuel hedges are a thing of the past. Alaska offers a superior product and you are one of the stronger carriers financially.....

Good luck

 

[AKMD80GUY]

If what was posted earlier about 9% for F/O's is even close to accurate, that is a no vote. We all have our golden number that will trigger a yes but it will have to be significantly higher. Lets not lose sight of the fact that AS was profitable in this economy.

 

[Mookie]

9% plus COLA back to 1997??? that's about 45% by my math...

and I totally agree with you OCity....

mookie

 

[turbodriver]

Don't sign a crappy contact just to get me back early. That's my vote. I want something good to come back to.

Give 'em hell!!