USAir Crew on 60 Minutes

[LearLove]

Plus, I think Katie Couric wanted Sully to pop a blue pill and bend her over.

I think that is how she got to where she is today in broadcasting in the first place.

 

[jayme]

He did commend his crew and all that good stuff, but i'mbatman is correct. Sully personally took credit for taking command of the airplane, doing all the flying after the F/O ran into the birds, talking on the radio, turning on the ignitors, firing off the APU, making the brace call, etc.

I understand the FP talks on the radio and flies the airplane while the NFP runs the checklist, but short of the memory items, the NFP typically does most of the work (APU, ETC) while the FP concentrates on flying and talking on the radio. At an altitude where the radar altimiter is still active, should the guy flying be fooling with the APU when there is a capable person sitting right next to him. It's issues like that that got CRM implemented. The CAPT overloading the F/O when something comes up or vice versa, some stick hog doing everything and the plane crashes only to find out the other guy was not allowed to touch anything. That's not the case here of course, but it allows for some great teaching later on down the road.

In our checklist for a double-engine failure, there is no starting of the APU. I'm sure Skiles was busy doing ECAMs, so Sully started the APU to assist powering hydraulics/electrics. Perfectly rational and a good command decision, since the checklist is geared towards getting a relight and continuing on - but obviously not what was going to happen here.

 

[saab fixr]

yeah the aft FA... couldnt throw on a uniform? too tattered? c'mon. she spoke kinda negatviely too. aw well. i think shes looking for a pay day... i really hate to say that. she just seemed real bitter... anyone flown with her before?

poor sully. ..must be getting very tired of all this atention. nice segment though. very heartfelt

She should have been asked to leave what a beeeacoch Sully and Crew did an outstanding job but maybe next time can we get someone to interview that knows more about aviation and not Kattie some of the most moronic questions i ever heard The one i didnt hear her ask was "so when you landed in the water and you got wet did you think you just peeeed your pants"? or what does the hudson feel like in the middle of winter Man plezzzzz

 

[BDD]

The thing that surprised me was that the F/A's
didn't know they were going to ditch in the Hudson.
The one F/A said she thought they landed on a piece
of land next to the water. God know's they were busy, but a call to the F/A's should have been
attempted.

 

[Amish RakeFight]

Personally, I was a little disappointed with the 60 minutes episode on Sully. I'd rather have seen someone else handle the interview. Couric makes me sick. Ughhh. That voice of hers makes me want to cringe.

 

[LRvsH25B]

The thing that surprised me was that the F/A's
didn't know they were going to ditch in the Hudson.
The one F/A said she thought they landed on a piece
of land next to the water. God know's they were busy, but a call to the F/A's should have been
attempted.

Agreed

 

[kf4amu]

but a call to the F/A's should have been
attempted.

Monday Morning Quarterbacking

 

[kf4amu]

The one i didnt hear her ask was "so when you landed in the water and you got wet did you think you just peeeed your pants"? or what does the hudson feel like in the middle of winter Man plezzzzz

"Could you see the people on the wing?"

She makes John Madden look smart.

 

[svcta]

In our checklist for a double-engine failure, there is no starting of the APU. I'm sure Skiles was busy doing ECAMs, so Sully started the APU to assist powering hydraulics/electrics. Perfectly rational and a good command decision, since the checklist is geared towards getting a relight and continuing on - but obviously not what was going to happen here.

Sounds like a perfectly sound reason to run the APU below 10K to me. Fuel savings programs be dammed. I've always liked the idea of a completely spare gen, PACK, etc. I don't know if an A-320 has a RAT or ADG or whatever your favorite name for it is, but I know the APU will do it all.

P.S.- I'm sick to death of watching the media folks jerk sully off. The entire crew did a great job, but any other direction this would have taken and they would be hanging this "over-payed bus driver" in the town square. All of a sudden he's the only pilot on Earth that was worth his pay that day. Nothing bad to say about him, just all of his new fair-weather friends. Barf.

P.P.S.- I smell a book deal.

 

[Whine Lover]

I think they all did a helluva' job.

.


YKMKR

 

[nimtz]

For those that think Sully is hogging all the glory please follow link below to this morning's presentation of the key to the city. He makes it clear right away that his crew is being forgotten in the media circus. The fact the focus is on him is through no doing of the man himself. I am proud that he is handling this forced upon fame with such class.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/02092009/news/nationalnews/hero_pilot__crew_get_keys_to_nyc_154274.htm

 

[LRvsH25B]

Monday Morning Quarterbacking

That's not the case at all. Liek he said, they were busy, but the F/A need info as well. It was probably an oversite, and that's understandable, but there is a considerable difference in preperation/briefings as to what the F/As need to do when landing on water as opposed to land (opening doors, plane sinking, lifevests, etc).

With your flight time and list of aircraft flown, are you really in a position to tell anyone on here they are Monday Morning QB'ing? No offense, but that is a legitimate question.

 

[Benjamin Dover]

For those that think Sully is hogging all the glory please follow link below to this morning's presentation of the key to the city. He makes it clear right away that his crew is being forgotten in the media circus. The fact the focus is on him is through no doing of the man himself. I am proud that he is handling this forced upon fame with such class.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/02092009/news/nationalnews/hero_pilot__crew_get_keys_to_nyc_154274.htm

I guess I have mixed thoughts on Sully now. 60 minutes was obviously edited to keep up the hero story, but I watched him live on the CBS Early Show this morning, and while he did mention "crew", I still heard much more "I" than "we". At least he gave his FO credit for reading the evacuation checklist

Something else I was hoping to hear from him was something to the effect of all airline pilots are trained in a variety of emergencies where we have to choose between alternatives and it seemed to him like ditching was the only viable alternative. Noone really knows, but my guess is that the same conclusion would have come to his FO and most of us as well. And I think most of us could have ditched wings level, in control just as he did, given the conditions that day.

That being said, Sully did do a great job before and after the ditching. But I also think Sully has missed an opportunity to put a plug in for our profession as a whole and maybe silence some out there, and some of our fellow employees, who think we are overpaid button pushers. Instead, the "thank God it was Sully at the controls, otherwise it would have been Disaster on the Hudson" theme continues. "I knew I could do it" is well and good, but is he the only one that could? The public still thinks so.

 

[kf4amu]

With your flight time and list of aircraft flown, are you really in a position to tell anyone on here they are Monday Morning QB'ing? No offense, but that is a legitimate question.

Asbolutely. It's no secret that the facts are not out. We know very little about what went on in the cockpit. Second guessing them at this point is unprofessional...that goes for any profession that has a situation like this.

 

[Simon Says]

Sully and Skiles are nothing but stoic and proffesional. What an amazing story.

 

[nimtz]

Plus I think Sully hinted at why he's reluctantly playing 'the hero' that the media wants. When he talked about people looking for something to feel good about, I knew exactly where he was coming from. It's not the best comparison, but think of the 1980 Men's Hockey Team. If they would of won that gold in '88 it would have been considered a great accomplishment, but not a defining moment of national pride. It's all perception and timing...

 

[airplane wizard]

Isn't it on the safety card not to open the back doors after a water landing? But who reads those anyway.

 

[airplane wizard]

I guess I have mixed thoughts on Sully now. 60 minutes was obviously edited to keep up the hero story, but I watched him live on the CBS Early Show this morning, and while he did mention "crew", I still heard much more "I" than "we". At least he gave his FO credit for reading the evacuation checklist

Something else I was hoping to hear from him was something to the effect of all airline pilots are trained in a variety of emergencies where we have to choose between alternatives and it seemed to him like ditching was the only viable alternative. Noone really knows, but my guess is that the same conclusion would have come to his FO and most of us as well. And I think most of us could have ditched wings level, in control just as he did, given the conditions that day.

That being said, Sully did do a great job before and after the ditching. But I also think Sully has missed an opportunity to put a plug in for our profession as a whole and maybe silence some out there, and some of our fellow employees, who think we are overpaid button pushers. Instead, the "thank God it was Sully at the controls, otherwise it would have been Disaster on the Hudson" theme continues. "I knew I could do it" is well and good, but is he the only one that could? The public still thinks so.

I would think any airline pilot would have been able to do the same thing.

 

[relief tube]

That psycho pax that opened the back door should be prosecuted. We all know if it was even colder, or if it wasn't in the middle of where 8 million people live, things would have been a lot worse. Everything would have been a lot drier if they just went out the wings.

 

[SoCentralRain]

I would think any airline pilot would have been able to do the same thing.

Exactly. I'm a little disappointed that Sully did not state just that. He was right place right time, yes.

But many, if not all of us would have come to a similar conclusion. I wish he would have stated the band of brothers with whom he shares the skies are just as capable as he was that afternoon. That would have made a heartwarming story of luck and heroism into a rational distillation of training and profesionalism. We needed this.

SCR