ABX Severance pay

[laserman2431]

I'm hoping to get an update on the current status of the severance pay issue. I don't think this is an appropriate forum for this topic but 1224 doesn't seem to be providing any information other than the weekly "hotline" message which seems inadequate at best. Does anyone know of any other way to get information? I've tried phone calls and e-mails and that does not seem to work. Maybe they could put a written update on the website?

 

[abxaviator]

Write JH and JG to ask them for an update.

 

[laserman2431]

Write JH and JG to ask them for an update.

Unfortunately, that seems to be the approach 1224 is encouraging.

 

[Clipperskip]

Severance

Unfortunately, that seems to be the approach 1224 is encouraging.

Well if that is the approach that our Union is encouraging have you done your part yet? I have. We should all do what is asked of us by our elected volunteers in support of a resolution to this severance issue. A few emails to our management encouraging a solution would not be a huge effort for our pilot group especially considering the possible rewards. I know that it is frustrating when you do not hear of any positive movement on this issue on weekly hotlines so maybe it is our responsibility to let our company leaders know how important this issue is to our families.

 

[FreightBumper]

I'm hoping to get an update on the current status of the severance pay issue. I don't think this is an appropriate forum for this topic but 1224 doesn't seem to be providing any information other than the weekly "hotline" message which seems inadequate at best. Does anyone know of any other way to get information? I've tried phone calls and e-mails and that does not seem to work. Maybe they could put a written update on the website?

Your'e right, this is not the appropriate place.

 

[laserman2431]

Your'e right, this is not the appropriate place.

My question is, "is there an alternative that I am not aware of?" A real update from the local would be a good start. When they do nothing more than that lame "hotline" message, I will seek information at other forums.

 

[laserman2431]

Well if that is the approach that our Union is encouraging have you done your part yet? I have. We should all do what is asked of us by our elected volunteers in support of a resolution to this severance issue. A few emails to our management encouraging a solution would not be a huge effort for our pilot group especially considering the possible rewards. I know that it is frustrating when you do not hear of any positive movement on this issue on weekly hotlines so maybe it is our responsibility to let our company leaders know how important this issue is to our families.

I agree, but if I cannot get any real information about what's going on, I will come across as uninformed. How hard would it be for them to put out a real update?

 

[laserman2431]

I just read the "Weekly News Report." No severance update. Un F'ing believeable

 

[laserman2431]

Your'e right, this is not the appropriate place.

What is the appropriate place? I would normally think contacting the local would work but they do not respond to phone calls or e-mails. Maybe they are too busy to talk to every one who needs information. Possible solution ---> put it in writing and send it out. Isn't that what they have a full-time communications specialist for?

 

[ABXbooger]

Go to the union website, sign in and use the Capwiz tool. Unbelievably easy. I plan on doing it every day, I mean use Capwiz...

 

[nitefr8dog]

What is the appropriate place? I would normally think contacting the local would work but they do not respond to phone calls or e-mails. Maybe they are too busy to talk to every one who needs information. Possible solution ---> put it in writing and send it out. Isn't that what they have a full-time communications specialist for?

A little cheese with that wine?

 

[TWA]

A little cheese with that wine?

Is it me, or are the people that were on property for barely a year crying the loudest about the severance/retention pay. I don't have a dog in the fight, just an observation.

 

[nitefr8dog]

Is it me, or are the people that were on property for barely a year crying the loudest about the severance/retention pay. I don't have a dog in the fight, just an observation.

Agreed, Although I think the most junior had 7-8 years.

 

[TWA]

Agreed, Although I think the most junior had 7-8 years.

Someone help me out here, but weren't about a dozen people hired into the 76 last fall?

 

[abxaviator]

Yes, I think the official number was fourteen, all but one were furloughed in Oct., the other this month.

 

[abxaviator]

What is the appropriate place? I would normally think contacting the local would work but they do not respond to phone calls or e-mails. Maybe they are too busy to talk to every one who needs information. Possible solution ---> put it in writing and send it out. Isn't that what they have a full-time communications specialist for?

The point is, there is no change in Hete's desire to use the funds to boost the Company's bottom line, ergo, there is no update for the Union to call you personally about. If you want an update, do your part to change the status quo, so there is something to update.

 

[laserman2431]

Is it me, or are the people that were on property for barely a year crying the loudest about the severance/retention pay. I don't have a dog in the fight, just an observation.

Why would longevity be relevant? This thread is about trying to obtain information. Are you saying the right to know what's going on should be based on seniority. I think your playing the senior -vs- junior card plays right into management's hand.

 

[laserman2431]

At the Dec 19th Gen membership meeting, the leaders said they were in favor of a plan that would involve using a large portion of the $75,000,000 to fund the pension. In subsequent "hotline" messages, they seem to be against using the severance money for pensions.

Was there a change in their position? Who could know. They are not saying what their position is. My point is that you will sound like an idiot if you contact legislators or anyone else without knowing what the local wants.

 

[laserman2431]

The point is, there is no change in Hete's desire to use the funds to boost the Company's bottom line, ergo, there is no update for the Union to call you personally about. If you want an update, do your part to change the status quo, so there is something to update.

No need to make a personal call. A written statement would do just fine.

 

[Clipperskip]

severance

At the Dec 19th Gen membership meeting, the leaders said they were in favor of a plan that would involve using a large portion of the $75,000,000 to fund the pension. In subsequent "hotline" messages, they seem to be against using the severance money for pensions.

Was there a change in their position? Who could know. They are not saying what their position is. My point is that you will sound like an idiot if you contact legislators or anyone else without knowing what the local wants.

If you feel that you're far out of the loop on what is going on with severance and you are a ABX Air pilot in good standing then I would suggest you call JM or LN at the Union Hall for a personal update. Before you do that I was also suggest you ask yourself if you have done what you can to help the situation. I think you will find, as I have, that our volunteer union leaders are more than willing to explain the situation. But due to the company's unwillingness to release the funds to anywhere except their underfunded DB plan, I am afraid that you may not like the explanation.