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I'm surprised they used an airline pilot for a murder case. What did you tell them?

I just answered whatever questions they asked. Don't remember what they all were, but they basically wanted to know if I knew anyone involved in the case, knew anything about the case, if I already had my mind made up about the outcome and if I could listen to what both sides had to say objectively.

It was a good experience, a lot better than the first jury I was on. That was a nationally known (not really famous) insurance fraud case. It had some very interesting points, but the presentation of the case drug on and got a little boring. The murder case would make a great Law and Order show. Just beware when it comes time to see pictures of the scene. That's not pretty...
 
(an aside)
How many dead Kurds? (WMD)

How many dead Iranians? (WMD)

How many pounds of yellowcake? (WMD)

How many ignored U.N. Resolutions? (related to WMD)

How many tortured/killed Iraqis? (Saddam)

How many terror attacks inside the U.S. since 9/11?

I suppose we should have discussed it more, got the approval of the cheese-loving surrender-monkeys (France) and waited til we had absolute proof, i.e., a big smoking hole where Los Angeles used to be.

Seems to me our troops are getting the job done.
(end of the aside)

Three weeks on jury duty last year for a civil trial. It was a nice break. Slept-in till 6 in my own bed. Home every night with time in the evening to do stuff. I learned a lot about the process and people I would never normally associate with - sharp people - despite their dress, piercings, job status, political views, etc,.

Someday YOU may be in the hotseat. Who do YOU want deciding YOUR fate?

That said, I've never been so happy to get back to work.
 
I agree with you in regards to performing one's civic duty. I disagree with the overly patriotic interpretation of why our valued servicemen and women are sacrificing their lives.
You prove my point. Because of their sacrifice, you retain the right to have freedom of speech and to be able to disagree with me, but more importantly, your own government!

Certainly members of the armed forces are working in the job they chose, and serving the desires of our soon to be departed President. I admire them for not just saying "Screw it, I can't work for this idiot anymore." The threat of jail time for quitting one's job might play a role in that.
Be glad they volunteer. Otherwise, there could be a draft or as in some countries, a mandatory requirement to serve for 2 or more years. There is also jailtime under those systems for unwilling participants. Those men and women essentially serve as your surrogate in your duties to your country. One perspective is that they are contracted through your tax dollars to provide a service that you do not have to perform--at least, yet!

Writing they are fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan so we can have freedom is a bit of a stretch...particularly since the amount of money we have thrown at these efforts will serve to enslave us for generations in the future. The big three U.S. automakers were recently made a political spectacle of for asking for loans totaling just one month's worth of money spent in Iraq.
With all due respect, you are off point with this extraneous bit of information in regard to the original argument. Save it for another argument.

Afghanistan - justifiable
Iraq - Where are those WMD's again? Where's all that Iraqi oil revenue that was supposed to pay for this? This thing has cost how much again? What's that...you say we're in the worst recession in this country in over thirty years?
Does this have anything to do with Jury Duty or our duties as citizens?
The WMD were moved to Syria. Don't remember anything about Iraq's oil. Do you know the cost?

We are in the worst recession in 30 years because of easy credit and crooks on Wall Street that have stolen our Net Worth in a system that we all bought into--not much different than rolling the dice in Las Vegas. Greedy speculators in a deregulated environment ran the futures of oil up that drove our economy to recession--not much different than a pyramid scheme that creates artificial value and the last person holding the bag loses! Easy credit given to unworthy credit risks inflated real estate values. Thank Barney Frank and Chris Dodd, along with others in a Democratic Congress that is manipulated and represented by special intersts groups--not the citizens that elect these professional politicians. This was a danger pointed out by Thomas Jefferson over 235 years ago.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/07/AR2008030702846.html

They've been fighting for seven years now, and I'm more harrassed by the TSA today than I was seven years ago. This "fighting for your freedom" seems to not have been very effective.

Do you remember 9/11? With freedom comes sacrifice. Has there been further attacks on U.S. soil? Where do you think the bad guys are?

This opinion will no doubt not be very popular among the bible thumping neocons among our ranks here, but let's call a spade a spade...troops are not fighting for our freedom...they're fighting to salvage any shred of respect this country has among the 94% of the world's population that isn't American...and to prevent the decision to pursue Hussein by the idiot we elected (twice) from ending up as a decision that defines America for a generation or more...e.g. Vietnam.

Did you support the war in the beginning?

Please don't discredit my brother's service by writing he fought for our freedom...because if that's the reason for his sacrifice, it was an effort that failed.

I disagree.

That should liven up the discussion around here a bit. Attack away with your Fox "News" ideologies (not directed at you personally, Speedtape, instead towards the masses that are sure to come as a result of my posting).

Hmm. Thanks for the personal exception to your indignation and indictment! No disrespect, but it sounds like this is a personal cross you bear.

Back to the original issue, do you comply with a summons for Jury Duty?
 
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"Your honor, I believe in a fair trial before the defendant is executed"!

I find having the judge request I remove the NRA baseball hat usually does the trick. I don't think any defense attorney worth their salt would allow a pilot to sit on a jury of any criminal case.

All kidding aside, take the pay and go and enjoy jury duty. Its a life experience. I sat a jury once about 5 years ago and it was pretty interesting.
 
I have jury duty coming up. I was wondering if ASA can intercede and get me out of it. Anyone with any experience?


Just man up and go. You're getting paid to sleep in your own bed, have dinner with the wife, and perhaps have a positive impact on society.
 
Hmm. Thanks for the personal exception to your indignation and indictment! No disrespect, but it sounds like this is a personal cross you bear.

Back to the original issue, do you comply with a summons for Jury Duty?

America hasn't fought for its freedom since the 1770-1780s.

Do you remember 9/11? With freedom comes sacrifice. Has there been further attacks on U.S. soil? Where do you think the bad guys are?

Perpetrators of 9/11 were not in Iraq. Still weren't fighting for our freedom. Perpetrators of 9/11 don't hate our freedom. That's a phrase that the current administration thought (successfully) could persuade the weak minded among us. They had you going gung ho with chants like "Freedom" and "Bring it on." White house had a great marketing dept.

Our freedom was never under attack. Our foreign policy was.
 
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Just man up and go. You're getting paid to sleep in your own bed, have dinner with the wife, and perhaps have a positive impact on society.

Heyas,

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Just go do it. It's interesting in it's own way, and you get out of your little circle of friends and meet your fellow citizens.

If your that desperate to still fly, take your laptop with you and load up MS Flight Sim and fly your simulated RJ in a "virtual airline" while you're waiting to get selected:rolleyes: .

Good grief, broaden your horizons and be a part of society...

Nu
 
If you don't go, you might be putting justice in the hands of some welfare bum. Of course the welfare bum that got the jury summons is thinking he has to serve so justice isn't in the hands of a regional pilot.

Seriously, before you serve DVR Judge Judy, Millian, Brown and the others to learn how the court system works. This will provide valuable information that you can share with your fellow jurors.
 
I have jury duty coming up. I was wondering if ASA can intercede and get me out of it.

Of all the pathetic, mealy-mouthed foolish things to ask.

It's called duty for a reason. Do it.
 
America hasn't fought for its freedom since the 1770-1780s.

Add 1914-1917, and 1941-1945 to the list also. If we hadn't gotten involved it's highly likely WW3 would have been a war to see whether Japanese or German would be spoken in this country.
 
Perpetrators of 9/11 don't hate our freedom. That's a phrase that the current administration thought (successfully) could persuade the weak minded among us.

Our freedom was never under attack. Our foreign policy was.
The biggest success of the terrorists and the biggest failure of our government has been to successfully define what all the fighting is about.

Only the "weak minded" believe Islamic extremists are peace-loving people who love our freedom, but who just have a little problem with our foreign policies, and if we just acquiesced a little, they'd leave us alone. Indonesia has little interest in the middle east, yet they are bombed all the time by Islamists. We had almost no presence in the middle east on 9/11, yet they killed 3000 of us. How did they react to the formation of a free and democratically elected ARABIC government in Iraq? With suicide bombs. You seriously believe that if we give them everything they ask for (like Israel tried to do for years), they would leave us alone?

The brutal truth is that these people looked at the widening gap in progress between their stone-age culture, and the freedom and wealth of the western world, and had some serious soul-searching to do. Either they had to admit that everything they had been indoctrinated in since birth was wrong, or they could still cling to their strongly held beliefs and tell their neighbors that the west was nothing but evil and had to be destroyed. If you can't build yourself up, then you tear the other person down.

It is the very destruction of our society, because it is free and doesn't follow Sharia Law, that the Islamic extremists seek, and it is our freedom and way of life that our servicemen and women are protecting. I guarantee that if we're not on offense fighting for it on the other side of the world, we'll be fighting for it on defense on this side sooner or later. Our soldiers fight for your ability to serve on a jury under U.S. law, not on a jury to determine how soon to stone someone who named a Teddy-bear Mohammed.
 
I have jury duty coming up. I was wondering if ASA can intercede and get me out of it. Anyone with any experience?

To answer your question exactly, no, your employer has to give you the time off to serve as a juror, that's the law. There are people that are exempt from having to serve, LEO's and criminals to name a couple but I don't think that includes you.

I came on this board a while back when I had been selected to serve on a jury and had asked if FFDO's counted as LEO's and therefore would excuse me from a jury selection. (BTW, it doesn't) Long story short, I went in, sat all morning, got selected and seated for a case in the afternoon. It was actually really interesting and taught me a lot about our legal system...(most of all I learned to not trust or use a public defender, totally worthless)

Go and serve as a juror, it's your duty as a citizen of this country, and I think that you will get a lot out of it.
 
I would like to reiterate the chance to serve jury duty. I showed up initially with the attitude of how can I get out of this? But I got selected and it was actually quite interesting and I am glad I served. That and I got to put a guilty perv on his stepdaughter behind bars for 30 years.
 

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