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AviateYou

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SAN MIGUEL COUNTY - The San Miguel Sheriff's Office says a plane was totaled Saturday after the pilot missed the runway while trying to land at the Telluride Regional Airport.

It happened 5 p.m. Saturday. Two Pilots were on board the Lear 45 jet.

They received minor injuries.

9News Meteorologist Nick Carter says snow was falling in that area at the time of the crash.

Track the plane’s flight at: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N279AJ
 
I was in Telluride all last week. I departed yesterday and saw the Lear about 20 yards south of the runway about half way down. It was completely destroyed (upside down, one wing off, tail off). I dont know how they were not hurt. They are lucky there was so much snow or they would of ended up in the bottom of the valley. Lucky lucky in my book, but glad they are ok.
 
So what would the approach briefing sound like on the CVR?


NPF..."This is the TEX LOC/DME RWY9 current thru Jan 15, 2009. LOC tuned, id, selected #1 Nav with 090 Inbound course set. ETL tuned, id, selected #2Nav with 108 outbound radial set. Available RWY for landing 6870, landing distance computed for fresh snow on packed ice. No BA reports available. Notes reviewed. will not go at night and make all circling maneuvers to south. Missed Approach is climb and right turn to 13k via ETL104R and hold ETL As Pub. Radios Set CTAF in STBY. Profile is ETL108R to intercept I-TEX@12 then Left inbound 090 on I-TEX to DH. Tops 12k crossing ETL until ITEX intercept and 12DME, then 11.5 til ITEX6.5 then straight-in RWY9 DH for CatCshhhhhhmmmmmhmmmmhmmmmmmmmm~mmmmmiiiinnnnnviiiiizzzz
tttwwwwwoooooooommmmmmmmmmnnautmmmiiiilss
hmmmmmmmmmhmmmmmmITEX1.0 Normal maneuvers for landing or we miss. Airport Elevation 9100, Radar Alt set 2k agl. This completes the approach briefing for the LOC/DME RWY 9 for Telluride CO. Do you have any questions captain? Would you like to brief the approach? Yes, your airplane, your trims, we are established on the outbound leg of the hold over ETL as pub'd with 20 seconds remaining before the inbound turn to the ETL095R tuned, id'd and set on #2 Nav. Roger Captain, I have the airplane."

Captain Brief.."TEX, Jan 15, Coms, Navs, headings Markers set, verified profile is 108 out left to 090 inbound ITEX [email protected] then 11.5 til 6.5 then 11.1 DH til MAP @ 1.0 for CatCsshhhhhmmmmmmstraightmmmhmmm rwy9hmmmmmmtwoooomilzzvizzz, this completes the Captains Brief of Telluride CO LOC/DME 9, my airplane, my trims, roger captain has the aircraft.

BTW wasn't it illegal to commit to the hold? The 1 minute leg limit is based upon the Cat of A/C just as the visibility and ceiling limits?

Glad these mistakes didn't cost their lives. Haven't pulled the weather archives, but would imagine they should not have legally departed [even part 91] for an airport where even VFR minimums would not have permitted the operation for the Category of aircraft? I cannot see their tickets or the operator's certificates, if issued, coming out of this unscathed. Operator shares some fault in dispatching the flight and ATC should have never authorized the Hold much less the approach if that is how it turns out.

In any case, the flight tracks look as if they missed the left hand turn for the Loc or the GPS. Their Altitudes were too, low for the VOR-A. If there is a defense, it would appear they may have been dealing with a transponder issue. That FL410 return would have breached a high sector and possibly trickled down queries DEN CTR who should not have given them the hold in the first place.

100-1/2
 
Anyone remember when the last accident was up there? It seems the Aspen accidents have made us all very aware going in there but not much going on in KTEX in comparison. My boss like to go there every now and then and it's a vfr gig for us.
 
The crew is OK and back in SDL after having had to drive home from TEX. They've gone through and survived something that none of us should ever have to experience. How about we avoid the speculation and unfair criticism until all of the facts have been established.
 
hawkerflyer said:
The crew is OK and back in SDL after having had to drive home from TEX. They've gone through and survived something that none of us should ever have to experience. How about we avoid the speculation and unfair criticism until all of the facts have been established.
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Well said. These are our brothers folks.

AZ T
 
Wasn't intending to speculate.

Just curious how one would brief an approach to the remaining Flight Crew and manage to obscure the most important pieces of information dictating the (un)authorized use of an approach for a given situation and what that would sound like on the CVR.

ATC has the weather and basic approach information for NP and sometimes an overlay on their scope for Precision approches to track the progress of the operations in supplement to requested reports from crew while on segments of the approach. As an ARTCC and the volume of traffic at TEX could contribute to an oversight from ATC monitoring the approach and requirements, particulary if they were focused on a transponder misreporting the altitude.

I would take that drive any day of the week and twice on Sunday given the alternative outcomes. Looking at that wreck, probably spend the time finding/praising Jesus. Again, Glad they are unhurt.

100-1/2
 
After looking at the picture it's really incredible that the crew was able to walk away with minor injuries. My thoughts are with the crew, I can't imagine how difficult this situation must be for them. Having flown out of SDL and crossing paths with a few guys from Aerojet and even chartering their 45 for a couple of trips I feel a some what personal connection to the crew...I feel deeply for them.

Unlike many other airports in Colorado, Montrose offers a great alternative to Telluride and I wish that more passengers would view it as the best option when going into that area. A couple of new FBO buildings, new large hangars and a brand new Hampton Inn almost on the field it's not only easier, but in my mind the best option for the valley.
 
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Was there really a pressing need to mention his name here?

You want your name kicked around for every mistake you made in your life?

Hung
 
If we are going to speculate, let's speculate on the forces of nature that can produce such richard craniums like 100 - 1/2. What ever happened to you?

And dback, did the individual you mention steal your spouse while you were on a trip? Deets man, we need deets.
 
DBacks said:
The clown who was the captain on this flight (XXXXXXX) was convicted of a DUI he received while on a company trip! This guy is the reason we have background checks, NDR checks and PRIA.
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Boy that's real classy dropping the mans name like that on a public forum. Especially since there is no hint that alcohol played even the slightest role in this accident. I have flown with plenty of pilots who, while not flying, like to drink and some even drink heavily. But in the plane, they are good pilots and SOBER. On the flip side, I have flown with pilots who don't drink a drop and make lousy decisions even in VFR conditions.

Making implied accusations are uncalled for and IMHO bad form.
 
The previously mentioned pilot was the PNF and the PF was another Captain. I think we'd all be better served when the report comes out before we point the finger.
 
Wow. Seems this is how we got us an immigrant named Barry Soetoro in the White House. No one really wants to consider the question(s). They want to attack, smear and lob insult at the people posing the problem. Real classic, very professional and not unexpected in this forum.

Every six months and 12 months for some, you get on a plane fly to Simuflite, Flight Safety and others. You sit through CRM/ADM classroom instruction as an aspect of your recurrent training and discuss a tragic accident where a pilot or flight crew fail to recognize the error chain and break it before an event such as Telluride. I have never been to recurrent where anyone said of a recent newsworthy accident, "We are not going to speculate, discuss or acknowledge that accident, because it is under investigation and we don't comment until the Final Report is published." That is crap and you all know it. I guarantee, Bombardier is talking, telling, learning and teaching about everything gleaned from CAE to date and to every customer that walks through the doors, emphasizing the differences between serial numbers, SB's and operational characteristics to their clients. Most of all, I have never heard anyone trounce on an instructor teaching CRM/ADM for his personal conjecture of a particular tragedy whether or not final findings were published. But you do it here, and in spades.

My query injected mild humor into the question of briefing the approach before going into the airport. But I guess the REAL professionals here at FI don't brief approaches in real life; outside the sim once or twice a year. If you did, you would have found the humor as it were intended. Instead, attack the questioner. Slander kill and destroy him so the question is without merit. And if he is dead, we don't have to answer. Nice.

You didn't get that great job with excellent equipment and maintenance because you did everything perfect except, you briefed an approach procedure with meticulous precision including the section clearly spelling out, the category aircraft you were interviewing for was not approved for the procedure. Instead, you muddled around until Segrave called, needing a "Street Captain". Surprisingly you never cracked an FAR or discussed TERPS in their interview. And a Simulator/Proficiency Check? Yeah, right. You drink, smoke, have a good handicap and short game; you are "in" like flynn, particularly if the dispatch/sales girls think you are hot. Good luck with that.

100-1/2
 
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My original message was deleted, bummer.

And I was not implying that alcohol may have been related to this accident, I was just pointing out that this is the kind of person we're dealing with here. I would be very suprised if this guy keeps his certificates.

And as far as speculation goes, I think that when the final report is out, it will be very close to the opinions of the speculators in this thread. Bottom line is they should not have attempted to go in there in those conditions. Cheers.
 
THey should shut down that airport once and for all! The runway is shaped like the Rose Bowl. I have been there once and I won't be back, CAVU or not.
 
There's nothing wrong with Telluride airport.

A poor carpenter blames his tools.

Probably just as well that you don't go back.

--You probably don't want to hear this, but they tow gliders out of there with a Cessna 150. The Cessna has no problem doing it...but you do?
 
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I remember buying my first "KTEX" shirt a few years ago, the one that said, "Most planes fly at 9078', we land".

I've always worn that shirt with pride, I considered it a minor rite of passage as a corp pilot.
 
avbug said:
There's nothing wrong with Telluride airport.

A poor carpenter blames his tools.

Probably just as well that you don't go back.

--You probably don't want to hear this, but they tow gliders out of there with a Cessna 150. The Cessna has no problem doing it...but you do?
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I can live with that Avbug! And you are right, reading useless info about Cessnas and gliders at TEX, I don't want to hear it! RING RING, hold on, the village is calling....
 
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