ASA to still furlough?

[CFI2766]

50 notices go out Friday morning, January 2nd

Any notices go out this morning? I assume not as nothing has been posted, but...

 

[Speedtape]

Any notices go out this morning? I assume not as nothing has been posted, but...

No, you are safe,for now. You can worry again--when the 900's are yanked away and given back to Freedom for a second round of circle-jerking!

 

[ParrotheadGTI]

no news is good news.

hope everyone is somehow able to keep their jobs!

 

[Abernathy]

They're dragging their feet on getting the new seniority list out, so we have to wait and see where we stand in numbers right now.

I was told by a few senior captains that ASA staffs 5.5 crews per airplane--11 pilots per plane: we have 149 airplanes right now. IF we get the 10 900s (and if we really do staff 5.5 per aircraft), this spring, we will, according to this formula, need 1749 pilots. As of the last seniority list, we have 1731 pilots. Now, with people on leave, the small amount of attrition, we have less than 1731.

Without the 10 900s, we are 92 pilots fat.

Assuming we get the airplanes in Spring, I don't see a need to furlough in the way of 100+. If there does happen to be a furlough of just a few months, I'd have to guess 40-50.

 

[Snapperhead]

That formula works great; except, what if we only use 5 crews per aircraft instead of 5.5? Also, what do you think will be the staffing number if Pref Bid comes online? I can guess it will be less than 5 per aircraft IMHO.

 

[CFIT]

That formula works great; except, what if we only use 5 crews per aircraft instead of 5.5? Also, what do you think will be the staffing number if Pref Bid comes online? I can guess it will be less than 5 per aircraft IMHO.

I know you're right.

I know that Brad likes PBS, and I'm pretty sure that he'll want you guys to use AOS.

But I'm telling you that it will be a huge consession, especially in regards to you vacation language from what I have been told.

If you have a choice, say NO to AOS PBS.

IMO

 

[USCtrojan]

I know you're right.

I know that Brad likes PBS, and I'm pretty sure that he'll want you guys to use AOS.

But I'm telling you that it will be a huge consession, especially in regards to you vacation language from what I have been told.

If you have a choice, say NO to AOS PBS.

IMO

AOS isn't even being considered. As far as I know, just from the newsletters, Flightline is the front runner (Flica) because of its ease of use. My guess is whatever ASA ends up with, SkyWest will have as well.

Trojan

 

[boctal]

50 notices go out Friday morning, January 2nd

I think you need some new sources.

 

[CFI2766]

I know you're right.

I know that Brad likes PBS, and I'm pretty sure that he'll want you guys to use AOS.

But I'm telling you that it will be a huge consession, especially in regards to you vacation language from what I have been told.

If you have a choice, say NO to AOS PBS.

IMO

I'm kinda reading between the lines here, but does SKYW not have PBS? I thought they did.


In as much as there is not a great reason to go to PBS for the company unless it saves them money, read: fewer pilots, it is a safe assumption that a PBS software program will mean a need for fewer pilots at ASA. As there really is not much attrition right now, it might also be a correct statement that ASA would be close to properly staffed with the addition of the 10 900s. I'm basing this off of the lack of chatter from the company about overstaffing when the ATRs were still on property. Thus, it seems clear that an acceptance of PBS will mean an immediate need for fewer pilots.

Therefore, a vote for PBS means a vote to put ASA pilots out of a job. ASA pilots: Think about this when you vote, probably in the near future.

 

[CFI2766]

No, you are safe,for now. You can worry again--when the 900's are yanked away and given back to Freedom for a second round of circle-jerking!

SPEED, honey, lookin' good in the Avatar. I'd suggest a little more work on the traps, though. If you are gonna wear your hair in the 'Jennifer', you'll really need to bulk those up if they are going to stand out...

 

[USCtrojan]

I'm kinda reading between the lines here, but does SKYW not have PBS? I thought they did.


In as much as there is not a great reason to go to PBS for the company unless it saves them money, read: fewer pilots, it is a safe assumption that a PBS software program will mean a need for fewer pilots at ASA. As there really is not much attrition right now, it might also be a correct statement that ASA would be close to properly staffed with the addition of the 10 900s. I'm basing this off of the lack of chatter from the company about overstaffing when the ATRs were still on property. Thus, it seems clear that an acceptance of PBS will mean an immediate need for fewer pilots.

Therefore, a vote for PBS means a vote to put ASA pilots out of a job. ASA pilots: Think about this when you vote, probably in the near future.

This is a great point. No doubt the Union has this in mind. I'm assuming our Summer schedule will increase again this year, which in turn means we will need more pilots. Not saying hiring would happen, just saying the line values will go up. If ASA doesn't furlough in the coming month, I think it's safe to say ASA won't furlough, assuming nothing drastic changes (airplanes go somewhere else, etc.).

The Company doesn't want to furlough. They would have already had they wanted to. A good PBS system will make things more efficient, yes, but I believe ASA will not furlough as a result. ASA won't implement it if it results in furloughs. That's my guess anyways.

SkyWest uses AOS for their PBS system.

Trojan

 

[777forever]

I'm kinda reading between the lines here, but does SKYW not have PBS? I thought they did.


In as much as there is not a great reason to go to PBS for the company unless it saves them money, read: fewer pilots, it is a safe assumption that a PBS software program will mean a need for fewer pilots at ASA. As there really is not much attrition right now, it might also be a correct statement that ASA would be close to properly staffed with the addition of the 10 900s. I'm basing this off of the lack of chatter from the company about overstaffing when the ATRs were still on property. Thus, it seems clear that an acceptance of PBS will mean an immediate need for fewer pilots.

Therefore, a vote for PBS means a vote to put ASA pilots out of a job. ASA pilots: Think about this when you vote, probably in the near future.

How about we demand the no furlough clause extended throughout the list as ONE of our demands before voting in PBS.

I mean, we cant vote in PBS and get absolutely nothing out of it. I say we go to the table and negotiate. I we like what they have to offer us back we vote it in. If we don't, we walk....

 

[JumpersAway]

How about we demand the no furlough clause extended throughout the list as ONE of our demands before voting in PBS.

I mean, we cant vote in PBS and get absolutely nothing out of it. I say we go to the table and negotiate. I we like what they have to offer us back we vote it in. If we don't, we walk....

Great point, however, this is certainly not an official avenue for advancing such a thought. You are absolute right on thinking ahead on this, but you need to foward, via email or letter, your point to the union. That's really the only way to get your point across, and the more people that do this, the better the odds. You ought to write or talk to your union reps. They're good guys that work for you, so put them to work.

 

[CFIT]

SkyWest airlines does have PBS and while some like it many don't. It has to be as un-user friendly as possible.

Brad knows first hand of it and knows what it can do, bottom line is at first he didnt want to get it but when he saw the savings SkyWest practically paid for the program to be rewritten so it would work.

An example would be for training, the training block is put on your schedule before you get to bid. That way there is no chance of a conflict. Same thing for scheduled vacation.

From what I have "heard", and maybe I am wrong about this, but if ASA pilots have a trip that touches a scheduled vacation block you got the entire trip off with pay, is that correct?

If so, with PBS that will be gone. The vacation block will be preassigned and there will be no way that a trip could over lap.

I was a pilot rep at the time we got it, and it took years to get AOS PBS to be acceptable.

 

[bailout]

I was told by a few senior captains that ASA staffs 5.5 crews per airplane--11 pilots per plane: we have 149 airplanes right now. IF we get the 10 900s (and if we really do staff 5.5 per aircraft), this spring, we will, according to this formula, need 1749 pilots. As of the last seniority list, we have 1731 pilots. Now, with people on leave, the small amount of attrition, we have less than 1731.

Without the 10 900s, we are 92 pilots fat.

Assuming we get the airplanes in Spring, I don't see a need to furlough in the way of 100+. If there does happen to be a furlough of just a few months, I'd have to guess 40-50.

OK, what about the 20 200s that are going away?