Article About DELTA Cuts...NW furlough comment by Reader

[ACL65PILOT]

We would have been hiring, but all of the banks decided that it would be good to come clean before the business friendly administration left office.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

The cost to furlough with the CPZ flow down is quite great. Get rid of that and the cost to furlough the bottom few 100 becomes close to nil.
This flow, IMHO is the sole reason that we have not furloughed.

 

[whatitdoing?]

ACL65PILOT...can you explain this Compass flowthrough? Why would it be so expensive and why would management really care? Delta has always had a reactive mentality, so furloughing or incuring the cost of flowdown won't matter. They'll see 12,000 pilots on a list with shrinking domestic bookings. I was also wondering what your productivity at Delta looks like. Everyone that I know says they're hardly flying and sitting at home. Doesn't sound too productive to me. Anyhow, just looking for info, not flame baiting.

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

The guys that flow back have to get typed in the 175....

 

[Monster Buck]

ACL65PILOT...can you explain this Compass flowthrough? Why would it be so expensive and why would management really care? Delta has always had a reactive mentality, so furloughing or incuring the cost of flowdown won't matter. They'll see 12,000 pilots on a list with shrinking domestic bookings. I was also wondering what your productivity at Delta looks like. Everyone that I know says they're hardly flying and sitting at home. Doesn't sound too productive to me. Anyhow, just looking for info, not flame baiting.

Flying my azz off on the 88. Full almost everytime.

 

[whatitdoing?]

I'm wondering if somehow Delta could get around it. Maybe they'll consider it nil and void with this merger. You can take anything to court these days. Interesting dilemma though.........

 

[whatitdoing?]

Flying my azz off on the 88. Full almost everytime.

Hours? If you say 80 hours I'm going to laugh my arse off.

 

[Monster Buck]

I know it would sound funny for a NWA guy but for a Delta guy that is flying your azz off.

 

[DrewBlows]

I'm wondering if somehow Delta could get around it. Maybe they'll consider it nil and void with this merger. You can take anything to court these days. Interesting dilemma though.........

It's in the contract. Both Delta and Compass.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

LOA 200610 and 14 survived and live on in the JPWA. It took a lot of negotiating capital to get that done.
In essence the joint agreement was dead unless the company agreed to it.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

For example I am on the 767 on reserve and the last few months I have credits within 10 hrs of guarantee.

 

[GOULET!]

Is the no furlough clause in the new Delta/NW contract and does that apply to both pilot groups? I thought they kept saying pre-merger that there would be a 2 or 3 year no furlough.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

It is there, No furlough as a result of the merger, not a meltdown of the economy!

 

[whatitdoing?]

With a 2 year stipulation right?

 

[Superpilot92]

I'm wondering if somehow Delta could get around it. Maybe they'll consider it nil and void with this merger. You can take anything to court these days. Interesting dilemma though.........

If they ever found a way to get rid of the flow agreement then they have to reduce the number of 71-76 seaters to 85 from 125. Which would also be a Massive cost and hinderance because the number of 71-76 seaters are well over 85 airframes now.

e. once the number of permitted 76-seat jets is established, it will not be reduced. Exception one: If a pilot on the seniority list with an employment date prior to September 1, 2001 is placed on furlough, the Company will convert all 76-seat jets for operation as 70-seat jets.
Exception two: In the event the flow provisions of NWA LOA 2006-10 and LOA 2006-14 cease to be available, either at the feeder carrier affiliate referenced in such LOAs or at another carrier, the number of jet aircraft configured with 71-76 passenger seats specified in Section 1 B. 40. d. will revert to 85.