America West Pilots have integrity?

[Full of LUV]

I can only imagine.....

Full of Luv --

You just can't imagine what's it like to be on furlough just in front of the holidays. Out of seniority furlough. New hires working out East. Guys who didn't have a job at the time of the merger (AAA furloughees) are still working, and yet AWA pilots who were employed at the time of the merger are on the street. USAPA doesn't even have a statement out about the deal. AWA pilots did everything that was asked of us. Binding Arbitration. The time for negotiation was 3 years ago. The East stuck to DOH. You don't even see that in the DL/NWA agreement. So here we are down the road with a shotgun union who does not care about the West. East pilots are allowing this to happen. They are profiting on the West's pilots losses. The Wallflower excuse over there "I don't really pay attention to union matters" is so over. You have the Majority Pilots taking advantage of the Minority Pilots every day. Some AWA guys will never recover. West never wanted more than what we agreed to. East wants alot more. The East pilots are going to kill LCC and take 33,000 jobs with them. It's indeed very sad. We are trying to avert the train wreck in the courts. East pilots and USAPA members will wake up when they are handed a monetary penalty. We have integrity, it matters, and we'll wait for our day in court. BTW, it is to everyone's benefit to ignore the IDIOT in the room who just plys the board for entertainment.

MK82,
I didn't mean to diminish your plight. To an incompletely informed bystander, it seems amazing to me that the east is willing to work under such a deflated contract merely to hold out for a better SLI, it would seem that their own sense of justice would help guide them back to the goal of coming together as one company.

Is there a future for LCC? Will they put up a 10 year fence and just maintain seperate operations? Is there any penalty for the company operating two seperate operations? Right now, only seems to be positives for mgt.

 

[Bringupthebird]

The behavior of the east is amazing to alot of people including, perhaps, a Federal Judge.

 

[MCDU]

I know the West wants our Jobs. Thank you USAPA for being there to prevent Westies coming East to fly our planes.

1 mio. less paxs in PHX. The East has its min.fleet and are protecting their jobs. With the NIC all furloughs would be EAST jobs and then replaced by West pilots. Replacement pilots with 2005 DOH would be based out EAST displacing 1989 DOH in their jobs.

This is what would happen if the NIC would have been implemented. The East has sacrificed enough and will not stand by to see our jobs being replaced by AWA 2005 New Hires. Going from almost 6000 pilots to 3000 pilots and the Westies think we should furlough again even though West jobs are being cut.
M

 

[johnnyb]

Interestingly, CLT was never on the top 30 list until this last year coming in at #28. PHL has been on and off the bottom of the list also and right now it didn't even make the top 30, even with Southwest growing their operation. Neither CLT nor PHL have busy operations. In fact, none of the East domiciles are anything significant airtravel- wise. All are small operations.




What is your point ?

 

[Scope out RJ's]

I know the West wants our Jobs. Thank you USAPA for being there to prevent Westies coming East to fly our planes.

M

OUR jobs?

Mcdoosh. Did you forget to take your meds?
Why does a furloughed UAL pilot think that he works for LCC?
Again, take your meds!
AYGSLF with Tourettes!

 

[MCDU]

Who is stalking who?
Copycat. Dope in an RJ has to be the biggest hypocrite I have ever witnessed. Now do me a favor and ESAD.

M

 

[Scope out RJ's]

Who is stalking who?
Copycat. Dope in an RJ has to be the biggest hypocrite I have ever witnessed. Now do me a favor and ESAD.

M

McDoosh:
Take your meds! You're furloughed from UAL, get over it!
AYGSLF with Tourettes!

 

[IBNAV8R]

The behavior of the east is amazing to alot of people including, perhaps, a Federal Judge.

Good thing I'm not the judge.

My ruling:

1) "Party A's company bought Party B's company. Party B has a long history of failed, bought, sold and merged companies and, in fact, was in bankruptcy at the time of the purchase.

2) Both parties agreed to arbitration which resulted in a fair and equitable means of merging of lists.

3) Party B decided they didn't get a windfall over the pilots of the company that saved their jobs. Then, by majority, they vote in a new union that would be 'more fair and equitable' in their favor.

4) Somehow, the Party A is responsible for all the failings of all the various companies which kluged to form Party B's company. This despite the one commonality to all the failed companies - Party B.

5) After several frivolous lawsuits and much head scratching by judges quietly muttering to themselves and colleagues , 'who the f** are these A$$holes?', I've easily reached a decision which, perhaps unfair, is just considering the expected fate of the pre-merged companies, the demonstrated integrity and good faith of Party A, and the animus and disingenuous actions of Party B.

6) Party A will submit their seniority list as of September 27th 2005.

7) Party B will submit their seniority list as of September 27th 2005.

8) The Clerk will kindly go to my chambers and bring my big red stapler.

 

[Bringupthebird]

I know the West wants our Jobs. Thank you USAPA for being there to prevent Westies coming East to fly our planes.

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I do not work for USair. Just wanted to point out that USair was not the only one in distress. I thought they were both toast.

Marty

So which is it?

 

[MCDU]

Next question?


M

 

[Sandhawk]

Good thing I'm not the judge.

My ruling:

1) "Party A's company bought Party B's company. Party B has a long history of failed, bought, sold and merged companies and, in fact, was in bankruptcy at the time of the purchase.

2) Both parties agreed to arbitration which resulted in a fair and equitable means of merging of lists.

3) Party B decided they didn't get a windfall over the pilots of the company that saved their jobs. Then, by majority, they vote in a new union that would be 'more fair and equitable' in their favor.

4) Somehow, the Party A is responsible for all the failings of all the various companies which kluged to form Party B's company. This despite the one commonality to all the failed companies - Party B.

5) After several frivolous lawsuits and much head scratching by judges quietly muttering to themselves and colleagues , 'who the f** are these A$$holes?', I've easily reached a decision which, perhaps unfair, is just considering the expected fate of the pre-merged companies, the demonstrated integrity and good faith of Party A, and the animus and disingenuous actions of Party B.

6) Party A will submit their seniority list as of September 27th 2005.

7) Party B will submit their seniority list as of September 27th 2005.

8) The Clerk will kindly go to my chambers and bring my big red stapler.

Glad to see someone else gets it!!

Just to clarify for the Easties, you are NOT Airline A


imp:

 

[Fast43]

12-13-2006, 11:58 #3 MCDU vbmenu_register("postmenu_1195007", true);
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I do not work for USair. Just wanted to point out that USair was not the only one in distress. I thought they were both toast.

Marty

So which is it?

Never mind

 

[T2Bus]

MCDU....what rock did you crawl out from under. I don't know a single West pilot that wants anything from your "East". I thought you were a pilot or a reject from a different airline, so why don't you take a hike and stop this BS. This is NOT your fight.

 

[Scope out RJ's]

Next question?


M

Yeah, which is it? Do you work for United or Us Airways?
Oh forget, I already know the answer.
MCDOOSH is furloughed UAL!
Hey doosh, did you forget your meds again?
AYGSLF with Tourettes!

 

[MCDU]

And tourette boy strikes again.

M