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There will be very few retirements in the next five years. The only guys turning 65 are on the NWA side (ropes that went back to window seat), and there are only a handful. If pilots were going to retire, they would have done it before the merger. For some reason, pilots have a hard time letting go of this job.

Well, you get what I mean. There will EVENTUALLY be a pretty good chunk of retirements. Look at the birtdates on one of our first proposals, and you will see what I mean. People born in the late 40s or early 50s. Gas is lower and that will help with profits, and I think we are currently hedging for 2010. We all have the Compass flowdown if anyone needs that now. Not everything is so bad. Not everyone was happy with the SLI, which means it was about right.


Bye Bye---General Lee
 
Why do you feel entitled to hold MD88A....If at NWA you could only hope to end up as a DC9 cpt, why do you feel entitled to hold B76cpt as you mentioned on your <b> No I don't think I should be a captain, I just think I should be able to keep my equipment, and if displaced, I should be bumped by a DAL pilot, not a NWA pilot, and viceversa. I know totally unfair.

Well because junior MD88A is several hundred numbers junior to me on the combined list even though I lost 22 months of seniority - and I can still hold it.

You need to re-read my original post - I could of easily held 757A at the pre-merger NWA prior to 60, and will likely not hold it now even if I stay to 65

As to fair - blame the arbitrators, it is what it is now.

I think this meets the criteria of fair -we are all PO'd
 
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There will be very few retirements in the next five years. The only guys turning 65 are on the NWA side (ropes that went back to window seat), and there are only a handful. If pilots were going to retire, they would have done it before the merger. For some reason, pilots have a hard time letting go of this job.

I think you are wrong and will see many more pilots retire at 60. There is a substantial pension penalty to leave before 60, but not much financial advantage to stay past. Our frozen pension will help move our older pilots out the door well prior to 65.
 
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How many vol. Furloughed NWA and Delta pilots are still working for other airlines? I think Delta has 10 years to come back and NWA pilots were able to bypass.

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I usually don't post much but here it goes. I am on the bottom of the seniority list and was wondering how jr CVG is. It is my home so I would like to stop commuting to DTW. Yes bitter Dal guy(jetjockey) I will be getting a better lifestyle if I get CVG but in 10 years I was supposed to be halfway up the list now I will only be 1/4 of the way up. My % on the list 10 years will be hurt. I am not complaining I am dealing with it. If I can get CVG after SOC I would like it. I don't think that is screwing over any Delta pilots. So back to my point is there a chance to get CVG? I am down in the real low 12000s
 
I think you are wrong and will see many more pilots retire at 60. There is a substantial pension penalty to leave before 60, but not much financial advantage to stay past. Our frozen pension will help move our older pilots out the door.

Not as much as you think. Most senior NWA guys are Green Book and their DP is based on narrow body pay. Take my case, when I get to 60 in 2012 the pay on my eq will be 231$ with the international override. With minimal effort i can see making 220/240 per year on what is basically a part time job of 9 to 11 days a month . My DP retirement will be about 120$ per year. The penalty you speak of is minuscule and considering I wouldn't have had any employee contribution to my retirement for the last 6 years like say some friends in other profession I am thinking of staying...
 
Your pilot group is going to be displacing tons of DAL pilots out of our equipment and making us take huge pay cuts as a result, and you still complain. You all got a much bigger pay raise, better work rules, access to higher paying equipment, and on top of it all you get to keep your pension, with DAL funding it, and still not enough.

Hey Jet,

I sympathize with what you're saying but I don't believe it was the SLI or NW pilots that are to blame. I think it probably turned out as fairly as it could. There could have been some fences on bases and equipment but would that have been effective with the moves the company has planned?

The problem is the much different demographics, bases, and equipment at the two companies. The day this merger was announced the writing was on the wall that the NW guys would move to bigger equipment closer to home ASAP. I don't blame them. Things would have been different base and equipment-wise with a UA merger but would it have been painful in a different way? Probably.

For me it looks like an indefinite delay on upgrading on the 75 at this particular warm weather base. We now have to share the great deal we've had and just hope for a better long-term career. Either way it's out of our control and in our best interests to see the group come together. Hope it works out OK for you. Cheers.
 
I usually don't post much but here it goes. I am on the bottom of the seniority list and was wondering how jr CVG is. It is my home so I would like to stop commuting to DTW. Yes bitter Dal guy(jetjockey) I will be getting a better lifestyle if I get CVG but in 10 years I was supposed to be halfway up the list now I will only be 1/4 of the way up. My % on the list 10 years will be hurt. I am not complaining I am dealing with it. If I can get CVG after SOC I would like it. I don't think that is screwing over any Delta pilots. So back to my point is there a chance to get CVG? I am down in the real low 12000s

Check out the NWA ALPA page, goto the merger link and look at the DAL and NWA proposed seniority lists. Those lists include base as well as position (well at least 1 of them did, not sure which I looked at DAL or NWA). You can cross reference the arbitrated list and see where guys junior to you fall. From what I saw there were junior guys in every base so I imagine you'll be able to hold it.
 
Why don't you move?

I usually don't post much but here it goes. I am on the bottom of the seniority list and was wondering how jr CVG is. It is my home so I would like to stop commuting to DTW. Yes bitter Dal guy(jetjockey) I will be getting a better lifestyle if I get CVG but in 10 years I was supposed to be halfway up the list now I will only be 1/4 of the way up. My % on the list 10 years will be hurt. I am not complaining I am dealing with it. If I can get CVG after SOC I would like it. I don't think that is screwing over any Delta pilots. So back to my point is there a chance to get CVG? I am down in the real low 12000s

Why don't you just move to DTW, I've heard you can get a great deal on a house there right now!
 

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