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MD88's getting pulled out of LGA-DCA, being replaced with new (76 seat) E175's.
Mainline to be completely phased out from January 5th to March 28th.
Gee fins, after being an RJDC supporter when we were at ASA I thought that you would approve of something like this. Right size aircraft and all.
Wow - Joe and I agree about very little these days, but he's right.
Wow - Joe and I agree about very little these days, but he's right.
Gee Plug....after all this time you still don't understand what the RJDC issue was about...
Scope should never be about the "size" of an aircraft....It should include all members of the bargaining group to fly said flying in whatever size aircraft is appropriate...
Had the PID succeeded in 2000....this flying would still change guages...but not outsourced.....
Fins is now a Delta pilot....so his perspective has changed...but RJDC was never about MORE outsourcing....it was about NO MORE OUTSOURCING......
know what, I don't think anyone wants more outsourcing. But smart people realize that once you give away an airplane, it is never coming back. No mainline pilot group will ever have the negotiating leverage to take back aircraft that have already been outsourced. If you think you can, you are foolish at best.
Wow - Joe and I agree about very little these days, but he's right.
At its core, the issue was whether or not the ASA Reps could represent their pilots to the entity that owned and had operational control of their airline. It was not fair to stop ASA from bargaining. One effect was bad scope, just as we see, with mainline pilots being replaced by non-ALPA pilots getting paid sub standard wages.
Now that ASA's Reps can represent their pilots what they do is up to them.
In the mean time the Delta and Northwest pilots have voted six times (or is it seven) to reduce their job protection provisions and scope. No one else ratified those contracts and the regional guys not even allowed in the room. No sense taking shots at them, or even the RJDC.
Who was responsible?
Plug, Sir, you still don't get it. The RJDC was never about "no scope." If anything the RJDC would have made scope tighter by restricting these airplanes that Delta negotiated to outsource.I know RJDC wasn't about more outsourcing but at the same time had the RJDC gotten what it wanted then there would have been no scope and all size aircraft would go to the likes of Mesa, you can't have it both ways.
At this point you are probably right...However when things were going good in 2000 and both DAL and CMR were in the "end game".....something could have been done....
Too late now....
Yeah, we know what it was all about. Luckily for us if failed miserably, like your career!Gee Plug....after all this time you still don't understand what the RJDC issue was about...
And yet you filed a $$multi million lawsuit to fly those "larger size airplanes." Go figure?Scope should never be about the "size" of an aircraft....It should include all members of the bargaining group to fly said flying in whatever size aircraft is appropriate...
What's past is past, get over it!Had the PID succeeded in 2000....this flying would still change guages...but not outsourced.....
Wrong! (big surprise again) It was about you trying to defraud our union out of millions of dollars!Fins is now a Delta pilot....so his perspective has changed...but RJDC was never about MORE outsourcing....it was about NO MORE OUTSOURCING......
Sure, there could have been an industry leading flow through. Unfortunately, the RJDC along with both MECs had NO leadership. Their greed and feigned leverage led to the downfall of any kind of workable, realistic solution. Now, the junior Comair pilots are paying a heavy price, and it looks as if the junior ASA pilots will follow suit.
Too bad that the senior RJDC pilots controlling the agenda didn't REALLY practice what they preached. Abysmal failure.