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Good luck with that Nick Berdeguez.
 
Is that supposed to mean something..

So Chef...


So it's Nick B?
He isn't keeping anything a secret.

Can someone have an opinion that may or may not differ from your own?

You're not one of them left wingers that get their panties tied up in a wad when someone has a different perspective on a topic... are you?
 
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So Chef...


So it's Nick B?
He isn't keeping anything a secret.

Can someone have an opinion that may or may not differ from your own?

You're not one of them left wingers that get their panties tied up in a wad when someone has a different perspective on a topic... are you?

Not voting huh?
 
8vATE -- you are on my ignore list, but B6BD quoted you so ...


Yes, its Nick B. In fact, he put his name all over the blog. So, yes, he's not keeping anything secret. I guess he should be commended for his courage in standing up against the seemingly small group of fringe pilots that sent in an interest card for a union vote at JB. I am sure he will soon have more than 2 members on his blog now that he's getting such great press on nutjobinfo.com ...

You really still are a nutjob btw. "Good luck with that" is really just some sarcasm -- and I am sure he would have some for me as well.

Your point?

Actually, never mind. I won't see your post.
 
Chef was also referring to the fact that he is a member of our PILOT VALUES COMMITTEE.

Which is supposed to be an unbiased team of pilots working for and with the pilots. If I were in a situation where my employment was in question and lets say I walk in for the big meeting with a JBPA bag tag... I would probably sit the meeting and then just hire a labor atty and sue. All I would need was the contents of Nick's Blog.

Nick may be ultimately looking for a little good boy promotion from mgmt but in reality has performed his company a disservice showing such a radical view.

I have seen nothing but professionalism from the interm jbpa leadership. I have not seen the same from JB mgmt.
 
So Chef...


So it's Nick B?
He isn't keeping anything a secret.

Can someone have an opinion that may or may not differ from your own?

You're not one of them left wingers that get their panties tied up in a wad when someone has a different perspective on a topic... are you?

Left winger? Go say that to a Boeing, of UAW guy in a local bar. Bet you wouldn't. They are probably more "right" than you are. Who built everything in this country?

Have a great day.
 
"Nick may be ultimately looking for a little good boy promotion from mgmt"

I would say the probability of this is extremely high. In the near future you will be able to read some very interesting things on his blog,it may even contain some video. Ironically, all of this material will be the exact same video and documentation that was used when the Midwest Mechanics were trying to organize and the DAL FA's were trying to organize.

There is a very large and profitable industry that exists solely to prevent the organization of labor unions. This gentlemen's blog is taken right out of their manual.
 
Personally I like Nick, but the perception of a serious conflict of interest means that he should resign from the PVC today.

He is entitled to his opinion. He can vote for against JBPA. It's a free country and he can blog whatever he wants. There is also a responsibility that comes along with exercising that right.

I could list plenty of scenarios where a person has a right to speak his mind but because of duties and responsibilities to other entities they should not exercise that right. I didn't say they couldn't, I said they shouldn't. There may be consequences to exercising your right to free speech. Go ask Natalie Maines or whatever the heck her name is from the Dixie Chicks. Nobody said she couldn't say what she said, but the rest of us get to vote with our wallets. No more Dixie Chicks CDs in my household. Did she ever consider the financial impact opening her mouth would have on her band partners?

Nick has a responsibility to represent JetBlue pilots to the fullest extent of his ability whether or not he supports JBPA. By exercising his right to make a statement he has brought into question whether or not he can or will aggressively work to assist a JBPA supporter that finds himself standing in front of a conference table with guys in suits on the other side. It's the appearance of a conflict in interest that's now the problem. It doesn't matter whether or not Nick does his job to the best of his ability. He has exposed himself, and by association, the entire PVC to the idea that they may or may not have an altenative agenda when they go to bat for someone.

Sorry Nick, you gotta go.
 
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Could someone please explain this PVC thing? What is the purpose of the PVC? Who appoints the members? Do they represent pilots being disciplined?
 
Could someone please explain this PVC thing? No, I can't. A lot of what they do is vague and behind closed doors. Communication isn't their strong suit. What is the purpose of the PVC? Same as above.Who appoints the members? The pilot group votes for them. Do they represent pilots being disciplined? Yes.

Sorry to be vague, but their charter is a little fuzzy. It's one reason JBPA has gained support. The PVC is usually perceived as either impotent but wellmeaning or management lackeys. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle. A little transparency would go a long way.

The one thing they clearly do is represent pilots that find themselves at odds with the company. By all accounts they do a pretty good job in that regard. Nick B. in particular is heavily involved in that aspect of the PVC. That's why I'm disappointed that he took such a public stance against the JBPA. IMO he has done good work representing pilots in trouble. Unfortunately, perception about his neutrality when defending a pilot is now an issue.
 
Same thing happen at Colgan about a year ago... pilots took a vocal stand against the union and got special favors etc from managment when it was all said and done...
 
The squeaky wheel at Jetblue does not get the grease it gets replaced quietly regardless of agenda.

If Nick was smart he would muzzle up real fast.

PS nick is a decent guy ( even if i did have to listen to his campaigning efforts for obama for 7 hours straight)
 
The squeaky wheel at Jetblue does not get the grease it gets replaced quietly regardless of agenda.

If Nick was smart he would muzzle up real fast.

PS nick is a decent guy ( even if i did have to listen to his campaigning efforts for obama for 7 hours straight)

I am gonna send a complaint email to the PVC toot sweet. I suggest we all do.
 
PS nick is a decent guy ( even if i did have to listen to his campaigning efforts for obama for 7 hours straight)

He's pro-Obama but anti-union? That's unusual.
 
So Chef...


So it's Nick B?
He isn't keeping anything a secret.

Can someone have an opinion that may or may not differ from your own?

You're not one of them left wingers that get their panties tied up in a wad when someone has a different perspective on a topic... are you?

If you are saying that left-wingers are guilty of this, but not right-wingers, may I mention two words? Bill O'Reilly.
 
So Chef...
Can someone have an opinion that may or may not differ from your own?

You're not one of them left wingers that get their panties tied up in a wad when someone has a different perspective on a topic... are you?

Like it is a simple as that? Please, don't act like you are the only intelligent person in a room full of dolts.

The reality is Nick's actions and the PVC's silence regarding his actions support the lack of faith in the PVC to do their job effectively.

The solution to this problem was very simple - So you are Nick Berdeguez and you find out that JBPA filed? You realize that you have a commitment to every JB pilot and it is therefore your responsibility to remain neutral.
 
Like it is a simple as that? Please, don't act like you are the only intelligent person in a room full of dolts.

The reality is Nick's actions and the PVC's silence regarding his actions support the lack of faith in the PVC to do their job effectively.

The solution to this problem was very simple - So you are Nick Berdeguez and you find out that JBPA filed? You realize that you have a commitment to every JB pilot and it is therefore your responsibility to remain neutral.

So far the PVC doesn't see it that way. They maintain that the website is his individual opinion and in no way reflects the PVC nor will it interfere with Nick's ability to serve every pilot in an unbiased manner.

Every JB pilot should email the PVC with their concerns.
 
Chef says I'm a nut.. thank you.

Wow..

Some of you guys are real characters...

First off..

I am fairly certain that a member of the PVC can be against JBPA and still fairly represent a pilot with matters pertaining to the PVC. Since when is anti JBPA anti pilot? Or pro management?

Secondly..

O'Reilly is a little off the deep end with all the shouting but at least he has some hot blond tail on the show.

And being called a "nut" by Chef is a compliment in my book. With his 1500 posts he'll soon have a General Lee following that can bow down and worship him.

My MAIN POINT is ..
Can't a person have a differing opinion without it becoming a shouting match or emotionally charged issue?

There are legitimate pros/cons with voting in a union.
Why do we always have to listen to those that shout the loudest and believe them?

I have 15 years of ALPA experience and there were no guarantees and plenty of gripes. You voted on your five year contract... grieved all the loopholes the negotiators left in the contract... then negotiated 2-3 years to get your next contract.

So why don't you guys all take a deep breath, fly your airplanes and vote how you want.

Just keep your clam sauce breath out of my face.
 
Oh yea Chef, you got a lot of union experience I guess in the bunkroom of the carrier with your F-14?

Too bad I'm on your ignore list.

Someone please paste this so he'll get it!
Thank YOU.
 
Could someone please explain this PVC thing? What is the purpose of the PVC? Who appoints the members? Do they represent pilots being disciplined?

It's a half hearted attempt to make the sheep feel like they are represented. Guess what we're not. I'm voting yes and Nick needs to step down. I'll try and be a gentleman and not comment about a specific individual.
 
What I think is really weird is the fact that the Jet Blue Pilots Association hasn't used the fact of this "Values Committee" to petition the NMB for union status.

"Values Committees", or any other type of committee that is company sponsored and takes the place of union duties is a "de facto" admission that the workforce is unionized.

It doesn't even take a card vote to certify, the NMB can (and has) simply said, "If it walks and talks like a union, it is a union."

That's why so many companies are loath to give any power to employee committees--they get socked with a representation decision they don't want if they cross the line between advisory and proto-union constructs.

JBLU already has a union on its property.

It's not a stretch to say that the presence of a standardized written contract with the pilots, the presence of a values committee (what does "PVC" stand for anyway?) and other assorted "if you had a union, they'd be doing this for you, we'll just do it so you don't feel you need a union" tidbits add up to a union on the property.

In my view, and I studied quite a bit of labor law in college, Jet Blue already is unionized and is only a hair's breadth away from certification as such.

If the company bends over so far backwards to give you what a union would give you to keep a union off the property, it can run the risk of going too far and being considered a company-sponsered union.

There's a lot of case history of this, but it's mostly a long time ago, but the case history is why so many companies avoid anything that looks like a company-sponsored union. They start out trying to do good, then oops, they created their own union on the property.
 

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