NWA Retirements

[FDJ2]

Except they wouldn't be stapled like you are proposing, they would go where their natural seniority would put them.

Let's be clear, I'm not proposing a staple and neither is DALPA. It was just an example which illustrates the absurdity of arguing that as long as there is "no bump, no flush", there can be no harm.

Ratios based on comparable categories and status allow everyone to go where their natural seniority would take them.

Again my bet is the arbitrators will segment the list and use different methods before/after a certain DOH, otherwise there is simply too much asymmetry at one end of the list or the other. The alternative is of course dynamic.

I very much doubt you will see a dynamic list. The arbitrators didn't even think it was worth the time to allow DALPA to refute it.

My bet is ratios with possibly some modest pull outs and plug ins as DALPA suggested.

We all know you are hanging your arguments on the Nicalau award, but even my dog knows we are not even remotely comparable to USair. Everyone but you guys seems to know the difference.

Try, USAirways and Shuttle (Nicolau, 1988) and Atlas and Polar (Harris, 2006). All ratios. You have to go back to the failed Roberts award, an award which a member of NWALPA's merger committee characterized as an example of how not to integrate two pilots groups, to find the last ALPA DOH arbitrated award. Interesting that not a single arbitrated award has gone DOH since Roberts.

The real question is are you guys going to live with what is awarded, or are you going to sue, appeal, and try get it rejected if it's not your SLI?

I don't think that's in question at all. DAL pilots have considently done the right thing. I recall how after LOA 19 the NWA pilots threw a fit. Lots of talk about how DAL pilots would leverage LOA 19 against them, keep them on their contractual "B" scale, etc. Probably because that's exactly how you would have conducted yourselves. Yet from the beginning DAL pilots have consistently stated their goal was to get NWA pilots up to parity at DCC and we did just that.

 

[FBN0223]

, keep them on their contractual "B" scale, etc. Probably because that's exactly how you would have conducted yourselves.

FDJ2
Nice!! Any more jerk-off comments?

 

[FDJ2]

FDJ2
Nice!! Any more jerk-off comments?

The jerk comments were the ones levelled at the DAL pilots by the NWA pilots when DALPA secured pay raises in LOA 19, pay raises that we then worked hard to also ensure NWA pilots received at DCC, so that they wouldn't be stuck on, what they described as, their "B" scale.

Enjoy the pay raise.

 

[ExAF]

Took a while, but...

This message is hidden because FDJ2 is on your ignore list.

I guess I've finally had enough. Toxic.

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

Nevermind, FBN. You're full of crap or just don't really know what you're talking about. I spoke with said 9E pilot.

 

[FDJ2]

This message is hidden because FDJ2 is on your ignore list.

I guess I've finally had enough. Toxic.

Bye, Bye! Funny you had no problem supporting toxic and misguided rhetoric in the past. Comments which suggested "back door deals" , throwing NWA pilots under the bus and supporting the idea that Prater should refuse to sign a duly ratified ALPA TA.

All those charges, no doubt fueled by your MEC's discreditted publication "Just the Facts", have been proven to be incorrect.

Seems like a double standard for toxic rhetoric.

The Delta MEC resolution on April 14th committed the Delta pilots to seek pay parity for you at DCC. We kept our promise, despite the misguided rhetoric directed towards us.

Enjoy the pay raise.


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[General Lee]

FDJ2
Nice!! Any more jerk-off comments?

Come on man, FDJ2 is not a jerk. He stated correctly that Dalpa has gone the extra mile so far to bring you up to parity, and to offer something fair, considering what we both bring to the table. Your redbooks and greenbooks are still fighting it out, and want to bring that toxicity to our list, with ridiculous DOH and dynamic proposals. FDJ2 is actually very well regarded at our company, and you now are a part of it as well. If EXAf doesn't want to read FDJ2 posts, then it is his loss.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Only problem I have with that is USAIR International flying was factual! DALPA's and your agrument that the 9's are or were going away as a stand alone is per speculation(I know the MEMO said so)! As for the delay with the 787 you really think they are going to furlough, pay to type the furloughs in the 175 and then bring them back in a year! Those are firm orders they are coming just like your additional 777's. Just think its alot of speculation to go ahead and staple 400 nwa pilots to the bottum! You may get a ratio like you want, have a hard time believing they will tag a staple on top of it!

That wasn't the plan at all. We are still very short on MD88 FOs, and you are fat in a lot of your categories due to overstaffing for the mythical 787. We were planning to use some of your bottom guys on the MD88 after a short 2 week indoc (seperate certificates dictate that), and bring them in on the bottom if they were going to get furloughed on the NWA side. That was the plan. We actually stopped hiring or the process of restarting it because we were trying to determine if we needed to help you guys. I am not making this up. It may still happen, I guess we'll see after Dec 8th. And, if we do get ratios based on airplane types (widebody Capt, FO, Narrowbody Capt, FO, and then the DC9), there very well may be a lot of DC9 FOs on the bottom. It is the smallest plane we have, that will be replaced by 76 seaters, and it pays the least. I am not trying to make you mad, but rather informing you of how it may shake out.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[ACL65PILOT]

That wasn't the plan at all. We are still very short on MD88 FOs, and you are fat in a lot of your categories due to overstaffing for the mythical 787. We were planning to use some of your bottom guys on the MD88 after a short 2 week indoc (seperate certificates dictate that), and bring them in on the bottom if they were going to get furloughed on the NWA side. That was the plan. We actually stopped hiring or the process of restarting it because we were trying to determine if we needed to help you guys. I am not making this up. It may still happen, I guess we'll see after Dec 8th. And, if we do get ratios based on airplane types (widebody Capt, FO, Narrowbody Capt, FO, and then the DC9), there very well may be a lot of DC9 FOs on the bottom. It is the smallest plane we have, that will be replaced by 76 seaters, and it pays the least. I am not trying to make you mad, but rather informing you of how it may shake out.

Bye Bye--General Lee

General, it is kind of like screaming at water, isn't it?

 

[Superpilot92]

General, it is kind of like screaming at water, isn't it?

I agree, SO Pointless! I cant wait until Dec 8th is here so we can stop hearing about these "how it should be posts." Hopefully sooner rather than later we can start working together instead of trying to cut the other off at the knees.