No more excuses= up your pay!

[waveflyer]

For seven years after 9/11 i've seen excuse after excuse - and delay after delay.

I've seen management steal pensions and concessions worth millions to each of us, w/ barely a fight- and line their own pockets.
I've seen senior legacy pilots vote to furlough junior pilots while at the same time outsource their job.

It is time for Legacy carriers to stop cutting the legs out from under this industry- get their pay and work rules back up- and find a meaningful solution to the scope problem.

What progress is going on right now?
Who is working on what?

This is just unacceptable- how long will this pilot recession last?
It is embarrasing. And for many of our peers-= it is an extremely difficult hardship.

 

[L'il J.Seinfeld]

You're crazy dude. Wake up and smell the reality. There are thousands of guys who are not in the airlines that could fly the planes just as safely and efficiently as the fat, lazy, 50-something baby boomers doing it now.

Yes our profession takes years of training and a lot of sacrifice. But so does nursing and you won't see RNs making the ridiculous wages we make. Any Capt that thinks he deserves the 300k he makes at UPS/FDX or the 200k at the pax carriers is crazy.

Don't get me wrong--I'll take the wages. I just don't have any illusions about how much I deserve to be paid. First year FO pay should be around 75k and top capt pay should be no more than 150! I'm a 4th year FO and I make a lot more than a lot of doctors!!

 

[BoilerUP]

As much as I hope the airline profession regains its luster...good luck "taking it back" during a global recession.

 

[JoeMerchant]

For seven years after 9/11 i've seen excuse after excuse - and delay after delay.

I've seen management steal pensions and concessions worth millions to each of us, w/ barely a fight- and line their own pockets.
I've seen senior legacy pilots vote to furlough junior pilots while at the same time outsource their job.

It is time for Legacy carriers to stop cutting the legs out from under this industry- get their pay and work rules back up- and find a meaningful solution to the scope problem.

What progress is going on right now?
Who is working on what?

This is just unacceptable- how long will this pilot recession last?
It is embarrasing. And for many of our peers-= it is an extremely difficult hardship.

You go first......

We are on the edge of a global depression and you actually think we are going to turn back the clock to pre-deregulation contracts?

 

[Dumb Pilot]

Don't worry, ALPA is taking it back

 

[Dumb Pilot]

I'm a 4th year FO and I make a lot more than a lot of doctors!!

Sure, there are a lot of doctors in Mogadishu that make a lot less than you

 

[CFIT]

Don't worry, ALPA is taking it back

What's sad is there are some that actually believe that is true.

 

[Scope out RJ's]

You go first......

We are on the edge of a global depression and you actually think we are going to turn back the clock to pre-deregulation contracts?

For once you write something worth responding positively to!
I agree. Most of the airlines will be lucky to survive in this environment.

 

[DrewBlows]

For seven years after 9/11 i've seen excuse after excuse - and delay after delay.

I've seen management steal pensions and concessions worth millions to each of us, w/ barely a fight- and line their own pockets.
I've seen senior legacy pilots vote to furlough junior pilots while at the same time outsource their job.

It is time for Legacy carriers to stop cutting the legs out from under this industry- get their pay and work rules back up- and find a meaningful solution to the scope problem.

What progress is going on right now?
Who is working on what?

This is just unacceptable- how long will this pilot recession last?
It is embarrasing. And for many of our peers-= it is an extremely difficult hardship.

There is a new, presumably more labor friendly, administration taking over in a few months, which should make it easier to negotiate. The other factor is the economy. Until airlines start making a little money it doesn't matter what the political atmosphere is.

My guess is better contracts are coming, but probably not in 2009.

 

[flygirlqt]

What's sad is there are some that actually believe that is true.

They are all in Herndon.

 

[Truckdriver]

The looming recession will probably last through 2009. The recession that started in late 1980 lasted until the end of 1982. It was the worst recession since The Great Depression. By 1983 unemployment was down to 3% and corporate earnings were up almost 30%. This recession will pass like all others and by 2010 we will see a new and impoved economy. With a labor friendly administration, an improving economy, and lower energy prices in 2010, I think we have a chance to get some back. A legacy FO should make 150K and a Captain should make 225K. Also, the new DB plans should be getting 20% from the company so we can retire and not be forced to work at Wal-Mart. I'd be happy with that.

 

[Whine Lover]

ALPA.

First, we must admit there is a problem....


" My name is ________ , and I am an Alpaholic. "



YKMKR

 

[Flybet3]

For seven years after 9/11 i've seen excuse after excuse - and delay after delay.

I've seen management steal pensions and concessions worth millions to each of us, w/ barely a fight- and line their own pockets.
I've seen senior legacy pilots vote to furlough junior pilots while at the same time outsource their job.

It is time for Legacy carriers to stop cutting the legs out from under this industry- get their pay and work rules back up- and find a meaningful solution to the scope problem.

What progress is going on right now?
Who is working on what?

This is just unacceptable- how long will this pilot recession last?
It is embarrasing. And for many of our peers-= it is an extremely difficult hardship.

Instead of getting on flightinfo and acting like a hard ass go to your BOSS and tell him how you really feel. And tell him all this BS you just typed. Puss :beer:

 

[Flybet3]

You're crazy dude. Wake up and smell the reality. There are thousands of guys who are not in the airlines that could fly the planes just as safely and efficiently as the fat, lazy, 50-something baby boomers doing it now.

Yes our profession takes years of training and a lot of sacrifice. But so does nursing and you won't see RNs making the ridiculous wages we make. Any Capt that thinks he deserves the 300k he makes at UPS/FDX or the 200k at the pax carriers is crazy.

Don't get me wrong--I'll take the wages. I just don't have any illusions about how much I deserve to be paid. First year FO pay should be around 75k and top capt pay should be no more than 150! I'm a 4th year FO and I make a lot more than a lot of doctors!!

Finally someone that doesn't sounds like a retard. You my friend have you feet on the ground. I completely agree with you.
It takes Doctors YEARS of school and training and even then they will make less than us for years. It takes a retard and 100K in Debt to become a pilot. I hate to brake it to you.

 

[instructordude]

I agree completely with Lil J Seinfeld regarding our pay. Max pay for an airline pilot capt should not exceed 150K and FO pay shouldn't top 100K. We are raping our companies for anything more.

 

[bpapaDC8]

Just like your CEO, we get paid what we negotiate. Do you think those guys were just handed their million dollar golden parachutes?

Talk about a poor opening position..."It takes a retard and 100K in Debt to become a pilot. I hate to brake it to you."

The more you repeat it the more the public will actually believe it. Do they want Joe the Plumber piloting that crippled DC10 into Sioux City? Give yourself a little credit.

 

[Mamma]

It takes a retard and 100K in Debt to become a pilot. I hate to brake it to you.

Congratulations! You just proved your own point! You are a retard.

 

[pipejockey]

You go first......

We are on the edge of a global depression and you actually think we are going to turn back the clock to pre-deregulation contracts?

So are you suggesting that we continue to let our pay slide? The oncoming global depression doesn't seem to be hurting the wages of management, or doctors and lawyers for that matter. Why are we different? Why shouldn't they share in the pain?

People like you and liljerry are pathetic! You are managements wetdream. You people have no respect for yourselves and cave at everything management demands. When will people like you start asking yourselves why you think management deserves the excesses they get all the while demanding more from us for less.

 

[pipejockey]

I agree completely with Lil J Seinfeld regarding our pay. Max pay for an airline pilot capt should not exceed 150K and FO pay shouldn't top 100K. We are raping our companies for anything more.

Well if that is true, then I guess management is not only raping, but also torturing, murdering, then dismembering the companies in addition to our mere rape. Would you not agree?

 

[BoilerUP]

The oncoming global depression doesn't seem to be hurting the wages of management, or doctors and lawyers for that matter.

Yes, in fact it has.

 

[Flybet3]

Congratulations! You just proved your own point! You are a retard.

Thank you for replying retard.

 

[Flybet3]

Well if that is true, then I guess management is not only raping, but also torturing, murdering, then dismembering the companies in addition to our mere rape. Would you not agree?

I think CEOs should make no more than 250K a year and have some stock options and small bonuses. No one in the airline industry should be getting RICH! PERIOD!

 

[Double Shot]

That means as an FO instructor dude you are telling me to take a pay cut. Well ******************** YOU!!!

 

[bubbers44]

flybet3 needs to work on his spelling skills before trying to influence pilots that think they should be paid as we should be. Brake is something you use to stop.

 

[Green]

Sounds like a bunch of flame bait to me.

If you guys seriously think pilots are overpaid then do us all a favor and take that 'high pay', buy a light aircraft, and get out of the profession. Good god guys my plumber charges $90/hr and he can bill a hell of a lot more than 85 hours per month. I'm always embarrassed to explain just how little airline pilots actually make these days.

Unless you live out in the middle of bumf%#k no-where you can't afford to live in a nice neighborhood near any sizable metropolis. Most of the legacy pilots I know who haven't been in the profession at least 10 years live in blue collar neighborhoods. They definitely don't live next to doctors and lawyers.... Overpaid my as@....

 

[MILPILOT17]

Sounds like a bunch of flame bait to me.

If you guys seriously think pilots are overpaid then do us all a favor and take that 'high pay', buy a light aircraft, and get out of the profession. Good god guys my plumber charges $90/hr and he can bill a hell of a lot more than 85 hours per month. I'm always embarrassed to explain just how little airline pilots actually make these days.

Unless you live out in the middle of bumf%#k no-where you can't afford to live in a nice neighborhood near any sizable metropolis. Most of the legacy pilots I know who haven't been in the profession at least 10 years live in blue collar neighborhoods. They definitely don't live next to doctors and lawyers.... Overpaid my as@....

Become a plumber; problem solved!

 

[relief tube]

It is time for Legacy carriers to stop cutting the legs out from under this industry- get their pay and work rules back up

how bout because there's places like Airtrain, Jetblue, Virgin, Spirit, and Allegiant, whose pilots work for peanuts, are because of that the ones setting the bar on fares.

The only competition with good wages sells seats at a relative loss because they're still paying for gas in 1985 dollars.

 

[Flybet3]

flybet3 needs to work on his spelling skills before trying to influence pilots that think they should be paid as we should be. Brake is something you use to stop.

You're a homo. Did I spell that right?

 

[pipejockey]

I think CEOs should make no more than 250K a year and have some stock options and small bonuses. No one in the airline industry should be getting RICH! PERIOD!

As much as I'd like to see that, I could accept a total compensation package from the CEO's that range between 1 million to 10 million. That includes all stock, bonuses and such.

Back 30 years the average CEO earned 40 times that of the average labor. Now it is 400 times. Why? Are they doing that much more these days? Are we as labor doing that much less? I think not.

 

[800Dog]

As much as I'd like to see that, I could accept a total compensation package from the CEO's that range between 1 million to 10 million. That includes all stock, bonuses and such.

Back 30 years the average CEO earned 40 times that of the average labor. Now it is 400 times. Why? Are they doing that much more these days? Are we as labor doing that much less? I think not.

Back 30 years ago it was closer to 17 times that of the average laborer. Japan, and most of Europe is still in that neighborhood. We have lost our way and are feeling it in the economy and the recent election. The people have finally had enough and we are in store for major changes. Enjoy the ride!