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ASA_Aviator said:
In that case the FO just ratted the captain out to the Feds, and the CA is unprotected since he/she didn't fill out an ASAP report. If the FO/CA files a report, and the violation was a deliberate one, such as the other person flying hung over, etc. the other person is not protected, even if they do file an ASAP report.

The program is great, but think carefully before you torch someone else.
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It's not like no one will ever know who wrote such a report. Whether or not the captain has lots of "friends", others WILL know of such a deed. The airline community may be large but it's not large enough. The culprit would likely face a long and/or short career.

As for the originator, I'm already sorry for your future F/Os - if you make it that far.
 
Freight Dog said:
I feel your pain brother... Maybe you can try this:

"Psycho bitch, park that fat ass for takeoff."

You don't use her name, yet you aren't exactly impersonal either... ;)
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It seems all the airlines hire are psyco F/A's I don't know how many times I've been hit on by these chicks, I even tell em- married man, wife works here, they don't care.

When I was a newb, I used to wonder why the old guys would say stay away from the F/A's -I tell you leave those ho's alone. If they don't want you using thier name, same hey just following the script in the fom.
 
sweptback said:
My bad. I assumed you were talking about the taxi out PA (then I saw you were a captain in your profile, so it's obviously not you talking then.)

Obviously you can tell what my pet peeve is now. Nothing worse than the FO trying to sound cool on the PA while I'm trying to taxi and covering the radios for you. Stick to the script, make it short and sweet, because we have more important things to do.
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Thank you Sir!

Part of my ending initial crew brief is; #1 we're going going to be safe, #2 is were going to have fun! When the airplane's moving it's business time.

To keep with the thread, I just flew a four day with a guy who I'd flown with in the past and he's getting to be a senior FO now. I'd even call him a casual friend. He was very motivated and ambitious, but to the point that he started stepping on my toes. I'm all for "get'er done" and keeping the peeps informed. Problem was, he'd go off on his own without asking. I'm pretty casual about taking up good ideas but you better take three f'ing seconds to ask me before you go off mic with me. We pulled in to the ramp and he immediately went off to inform the pax the gate was occupied. I saw him do it and I let him finish up and when we came to a stop, I told him that I was going to tell the peeps to remain seated and there would be short delay getting parked. He said that he already did that. I told him "I know..." and then gave him a friendly lecture that even though he's doing a good job, he need's to keep in mind that the Captain will determine when to do all these things we need (should) to do. When you're the Captain then it's your boat and then you'll determine when to do things. In the mean time, don't do something that will piss YOUR Captain off or make him look stupid by running his/her ship. Even though I tell MY FO's 99.9% of the time I'm about to do something, it's their job to let me know 100% of the time if they're going outside their responsibilities.
 
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ehaecker said:
I also see it as somebody trying to be funny about how they really feel. Like sort of a cover up.
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I'm just a copilot so don't get too wrapped up in the amateur-hour psycho analysis. It's Flight Info so don't read to deep.

No hidden motives or cover-ups here. It was really just sarcasm. Sorry you don't think I am a funny guy.
 
I can't stand the FO's who want to play "pack man" I've set the packs, the temperature is nice, now you are going to reach up there and make it too damn hot or too damn cold. I can't put up with that. My plane, my packs. Sorry!
 
crxpilot said:
I can't stand the FO's who want to play "pack man" I've set the packs, the temperature is nice, now you are going to reach up there and make it too damn hot or too damn cold. I can't put up with that. My plane, my packs. Sorry!
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If it's 45 degrees in the cockpit, I don't care how fat the captain is and how all the flab makes him/her feel hot. I'm turning that knob.
 
FOs: For chrissakes why can't you just once in your life initiate a taxi/IFR clearance with the friggin ATIS? How many times has ATC asked you if you have the current ATIS? About 1 million times at last count.
 
inline said:
FOs: For chrissakes why can't you just once in your life initiate a taxi/IFR clearance with the friggin ATIS? How many times has ATC asked you if you have the current ATIS? About 1 million times at last count.
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I hear ya. Isn't it private pilot 101 that you check on with the ATIS? 2/3's don't.
 
Of course, the other 1/3 of the time the ATIS will change by the time we push. If it's DEN, it's about a 99% chance it will have changed twice by then.
 
Uncle Bunkle said:
Enough time has passed, it's ready to start a new CA vs. FO thread.​

To the CA's:
1. I am not "your FO". Please do not refer to the guy you are flying with as "my FO". Same goes to FA's.
2. When you call for a Checklist, you should actually be ready to respond to it. Me: "T/O data and Speeds", CA: fumbles around for 2 minutes trying to set speeds....then, "Set".
3. Quit centering the heading bug when I am flying. I promise you, the plane will not veer violently off course if the heading bug is 3 degrees to the left.
4. I could care less about your church or your kids. Seriously... Religion and Kids can stay at home.
5. Don't leave your friggin flight case on the floor behind the center pedestal. Put it in the damn place beside your seat. No, I don't like scrambling over your bag every time I step into/out of the cockpit.
6. Are you wearing cowboy boots?​
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To all FO's:

1. Do whatever you want short of getting us fired and/or violated.

2. Don't make this job harder than it is...

3. I'll buy the first round, how drunk you get beyond that is totally up to you.
 
Don't you just hate it when you awake from a nice little nap and find the other pilot asleep?
 
DrewBlows said:
3. I'll buy the first round, how drunk you get beyond that is totally up to you.
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But at least call crew scheduling from the jail so I don't have to get up early for the duty in.
 
Flybet3 said:
Today in age there are just tooooo many "right seat captain" idiots that think they know better. Wether you like it or not the Captain is still in charge and you are HIS FO/Second in command. He/She is still your superior. Grow up. Oh an by the way, don't run a checklist, call the airport insight, or call traffic insight until you have looked to your left and said "ready for the check list/You see it? I've got the traffic, do you see it?"
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nonsense! If you are in MY right seat, you should know when a checklist is due......do it already. If you see it, I see it....

Just don't be in such a damn hurry to do stuff...relax, slow down and enjoy yourself.....

Damned hyper kids.:)
 
ohplease! said:
nonsense! If you are in MY right seat, you should know when a checklist is due......do it already. If you see it, I see it....

Just don't be in such a damn hurry to do stuff...relax, slow down and enjoy yourself.....

Damned hyper kids.:)
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You nutsack! :laugh:
 
Papa Woody said:
Flew with a FA who freaked out because I used her name in the PA announcement ("Mary, prepare the cabin for takeoff.") Said it was inviting men to flirt with her.

So I stopped using FA's names.

A week later, another FA freaked out because I didn't use her name. ("Jeez, like, saying 'Flight Attendant' sounds so sterile, impersonal")

Any ideas here? I;m ready to go Postal on the next FA who b*tches to me about anything!
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hah! I'm too lazy to read the rest of this thread, gotta rake some leaves in the sunset. But that's good!

Actually time has taught me to ASK the FA whether it's OK (what do they prefer) for me to say her/his name on the PA, it works, they'll tell you if they're opposed to it.

Also, I try to vary my brief to FO's based on how the first few minutes of interaction with them are.
 
Flybet3 said:
Today in age there are just tooooo many "right seat captain" idiots that think they know better. Wether you like it or not the Captain is still in charge and you are HIS FO/Second in command. He/She is still your superior. Grow up. Oh an by the way, don't run a checklist, call the airport insight, or call traffic insight until you have looked to your left and said "ready for the check list/You see it? I've got the traffic, do you see it?"
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Amen, I second those motions.
 
Crossky said:
Amen, I second those motions.
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Third!

Calling traffic has always been a personal pet peeve of mine...

ATC: PDT 4000, traffic 10 O'Clock 10 miles an airbus southwest bound at 15,000.

FO to ATC: (Staring into a night sky positively FILLED with blinking lights) Traffic in sight!

ME: Chill out there eagle eye. Do you have any actual idea which one of those blinking lights is the airbus in question?

FO: Uhhh...

Hint of the day:

Never call traffic in sight unless:
1. You are absolutely sure you have the airplane in sight and can maintain visual seperation.
2. You are absolutely sure that the other pilot (CA or FO) also has the traffic in sight and agrees that visual seperation can be maintained.
3. There is some operational advantage to be gained by you (or the traffic in question- It is good to be courteous after all) by assuming the responsibility of keeping yourself seperated from the aforementioned traffic.

That is all!
 
Uncle Bunkle said:
1. I am not "your FO". Please do not refer to the guy you are flying with as "my FO". Same goes to FA's.
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Hundreds of years ago the Spanish navy figured out that if a captain took "ownership" of the vessel and crew they took better care of them. My ship and my crew builds a sense of connection to them and the captains made better decisions. The concept spread to every facet of command and leadership around the world and quickly worked its way into the airlines when the majority of pilots began coming from the military.

When the captain refers to the airplane as "that hunk of junk" and the FO as "the dbag who sits next to me" you need to know that when the sh!t hits the fan you are expendable to the captain. Its the captain who refers to you as "my" that will not only have your best interests in mind during the evacuation but will stick with you through the civil suit.
 
Uncle Bunkle said:
Enough time has passed, it's ready to start a new CA vs. FO thread.​


To the CA's:
1. I am not "your FO". Please do not refer to the guy you are flying with as "my FO". Same goes to FA's.
2. When you call for a Checklist, you should actually be ready to respond to it. Me: "T/O data and Speeds", CA: fumbles around for 2 minutes trying to set speeds....then, "Set".
3. Quit centering the heading bug when I am flying. I promise you, the plane will not veer violently off course if the heading bug is 3 degrees to the left.
4. I could care less about your church or your kids. Seriously... Religion and Kids can stay at home.
5. Don't leave your friggin flight case on the floor behind the center pedestal. Put it in the damn place beside your seat. No, I don't like scrambling over your bag every time I step into/out of the cockpit.

6. Are you wearing cowboy boots?​
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If you were a captain then you could dictate all of the above...however, you're not...so,

1. You ARE the captain's FO. Whether you're the FA's FO is up to you (after the captain has "dibs").
2. The captain calls for the checklist when he wants it...maybe he calls early anticipating that by the time YOU are ready, he will be!
3. Why aren't YOU keeping the bug centered? That's professionalism, and at our carrier, SOP.
4. Have you told the captain that you are a godless pagan with no children, or are you just hoping he'll see this and you won't have to grow a set and speak up?
5. The entire airplane is the captain's while his/her name is in the book...the chart bag placement is his/her call...maybe he/she wants you to trip over it and sprain your ankle so he/she can get an FO whose easier to be around.
6. The question would be, if you ever flew with me..."are you wearing a cup"? 'cause I'd have kicked you in the stones well before item #6!
 

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