DALPA Conflict of Interest

[JoeMerchant]

Just to clear a point, there are only a handful of 2007 hires still on probation. Those, for the most part, are on military leave.

Delta's probation lasts one year or 400 flight hours, whichever happens first. Most folks got off probation within six months.

Is it fair to have a 1999 hire go below a 2007 hire regardless of "probation"?

 

[PuffDriver]

Is it fair to have a 1999 hire go below a 2007 hire regardless of "probation"?

Depends, if one is an ASA pilot, and one a Delta pilot, the Delta pilot should always be senior.

 

[PCL_128]

Delta's probation lasts one year or 400 flight hours, whichever happens first. Most folks got off probation within six months.

Damn, that's a nice rule.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Depends, if one is an ASA pilot, and one a Delta pilot, the Delta pilot should always be senior.

Thank goodness we aren't merging then.....Now back to the original point that you ignored....Is it fair to put a NWA 1999 hire below a 2007 Delta hire?

 

[michael707767]

Thank goodness we aren't merging then.....Now back to the original point that you ignored....Is it fair to put a NWA 1999 hire below a 2007 Delta hire?

Depends on where each sits on their list. If a 2007 Delta hire is 10% up while the 99 NWA hire is only 5% up, then yes.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Depends on where each sits on their list. If a 2007 Delta hire is 10% up while the 99 NWA hire is only 5% up, then yes.

....that's fine....but then expect one pissed off group that isn't unified after the decision comes down....

We are the only profession that puts zero importance in "time of service" or "longevity".....That is our downfall...

 

[FBN0223]

Depends on where each sits on their list. If a 2007 Delta hire is 10% up while the 99 NWA hire is only 5% up, then yes.

Truly Amazing!!!!

 

[JoeMerchant]

Truly Amazing!!!!

....you've never dealt with DALPA before have you?

 

[knightflyer]

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Where is that bottle of bug repellant?

 

[PuffDriver]

Thank goodness we aren't merging then.....Now back to the original point that you ignored....Is it fair to put a NWA 1999 hire below a 2007 Delta hire?

I think that you can make a case either way, from either side. Strict interpretation of ALPA merger policy says yes in this case.

Is there a reason you are involved in something which has nothing to do with you? You seem much more interested in Delta goings on than ASA. Wee wee envy I guess. Most of the guys I fly with that know you pretty much all agree on that. Is there anybody over there that likes you?

 

[ACL65PILOT]

God I leave for a few hours and it is the same crap.

 

[michael707767]

Truly Amazing!!!!

How is it truly amazing? It is amazing to me that intelligent people could read ALPA policy, which makes no mention of DOH as a consideration, sign an agreement that our arbitrators will rule based on ALPA policy, and then make nothing but a DOH argument.

Look, if you can justify any pilot going ahead of any other pilot for a reason other than DOH, fine. Give me the reasons and I would consider them.

The day you got hired at NW means nothing. The day I got hired at Delta means nothing. It is what has happened since then, and what is most likely to happen going forward, that matters.

 

[JoeMerchant]

How is it truly amazing? It is amazing to me that intelligent people could read ALPA policy, which makes no mention of DOH as a consideration, sign an agreement that our arbitrators will rule based on ALPA policy, and then make nothing but a DOH argument.

Look, if you can justify any pilot going ahead of any other pilot for a reason other than DOH, fine. Give me the reasons and I would consider them.

The day you got hired at NW means nothing. The day I got hired at Delta means nothing. It is what has happened since then, and what is most likely to happen going forward, that matters.

Michael, for arguments sake, let's say Virgin America was ALPA. Your using a "relative seniority" argument.....The senior most Virgin America pilot has what....1-2 years with the company....Where would he go in your version of a "fair" list if Delta and Virgin America merged?

 

[JoeMerchant]

I think that you can make a case either way, from either side. Strict interpretation of ALPA merger policy says yes in this case.

Is there a reason you are involved in something which has nothing to do with you? You seem much more interested in Delta goings on than ASA. Wee wee envy I guess. Most of the guys I fly with that know you pretty much all agree on that. Is there anybody over there that likes you?

I don't envy anything about this fustercluk.....I just enjoy pointing out the failures of ALPA....and merger policy is at the top of the list!

I also like to question "conventional wisdom" and make people think....Everyone should be thinking about ALPA merger policy and the failures within it...

 

[FDJ2]

.Is it fair to put a NWA 1999 hire below a 2007 Delta hire?

Is it fair that a 1999 peso is worth less than a 2007 euro?

What does the date the coin was minted have to do with comparing the equities inherent in each coin?

This is what matters and you'll notice that DOH is never mentioned. So the question really is, what's the value of a job a 1999 NWA pilot brings to the merger and what's the value of the job a 2007 DAL pilot brings to merger.

1. The merger representatives shall carefully weigh all the equities inherent in their merger situation. In joint session, the merger representatives should attempt to match equities to various methods of integration until a fair and equitable agreement is reached, keeping in mind the following goals, in no particular order:

a. Preserve jobs.

b. Avoid windfalls to either group at the expense of the other.

c. Maintain or improve pre‑merger pay and standard of living.

d. Maintain or improve pre‑merger pilot status.

e. Minimize detrimental changes to career expectations.