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skipro101

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This is a business decision. So, notwithstanding the philosophical debate about paying for a type rating…

Assuming the following experience….
3000 TT , 1500 Multi Turbine PIC, ATP, BE300 Type, freight and people charter experience (Be99s and KingAir350s (both as captain), and current job is doing contract work in Africa and Saudi Arabia flying King Air 200s.
I am making bank, but it is not a sustainable situation. I’m only doing this for a year as Saudi is not a long term living option.

I have heard two opinions on the feasibility of gaining employment by buying a type rating (I’m not talking about right or wrong here, just about whether it would be likely with my experience).
1.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]You need time in type. Without that, its near impossible to find work with a fresh type. OR,
2.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]Certain type ratings are in such demand that if you have them you can find work quite easily (LR60, LR45, CL300, Global, etc), even with 0 time in type.


Given my experience above, how likely is it that I could find work as a First Officer on a CL300 or Global or perhaps Gulfstream aircraft if I was willing to pay for my type?


Please, lets not let this go to a PFT war. I am only interested in hearing from people with real direct experience with this (either as someone who hires pilots or a pilot who has done this).

Thank you for your time and effort in replying. I appreciate it.
 
This is a business decision. So, notwithstanding the philosophical debate about paying for a type rating…

Assuming the following experience….
3000 TT , 1500 Multi Turbine PIC, ATP, BE300 Type, freight and people charter experience (Be99s and KingAir350s (both as captain), and current job is doing contract work in Africa and Saudi Arabia flying King Air 200s.
I am making bank, but it is not a sustainable situation. I’m only doing this for a year as Saudi is not a long term living option.

I have heard two opinions on the feasibility of gaining employment by buying a type rating (I’m not talking about right or wrong here, just about whether it would be likely with my experience).
1.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]You need time in type. Without that, its near impossible to find work with a fresh type. OR,
2.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]Certain type ratings are in such demand that if you have them you can find work quite easily (LR60, LR45, CL300, Global, etc), even with 0 time in type.


Given my experience above, how likely is it that I could find work as a First Officer on a CL300 or Global or perhaps Gulfstream aircraft if I was willing to pay for my type?


Please, lets not let this go to a PFT war. I am only interested in hearing from people with real direct experience with this (either as someone who hires pilots or a pilot who has done this).

Thank you for your time and effort in replying. I appreciate it.



Right about now I cant imagine its a great idea to be dropping 40k+ on a Global Express rating....or any rating for that matter.

You might read about guys here making 3BIL a year flying contract in these type aircraft, but its a very different market than it was even a year ago.

There is no lack of guys with time in type looking for full/part time work.

IMO -- Keep flying that King Air. Keep your money in the bank for awhile and see how the market goes, network like crazy and find a good department to work for.

Good Luck.
 
If you're interested in a job after buying a type, these guys will hire you after paying for your type. They reimburse you over two years. Plus, you pay their corporate rate at CAE.

I've heard mixed reviews about them.

http://www.worldwidejet.com/

Skyward80
 
If you're interested in a job after buying a type, these guys will hire you after paying for your type. They reimburse you over two years. Plus, you pay their corporate rate at CAE.

I've heard mixed reviews about them.

http://www.worldwidejet.com/

Skyward80


50K for a GIV SIC in New Jersey plus pay for your own school.

Nothing mixed about that! - Id like to witness that in action. Gets cold in a box this time of year in Jersey....:laugh:

Anyhow, might work for someone!......heres their ad posted on our website recently:



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Job Title: G-IV SIC
Location: MILLVILLE New Jersey USA
Salary Range: 47k-60k
Email: [email protected]
Job Desc: Worldwide Jet is accepting resumes for a future G-IV SIC position available in Millville, NJ.

You CAN have a flying career and a life too! Our flying schedule is two weeks on and one week off. We offer worldwide travel with extensive training and benefits. Work and fly with one of the best international charter companies in the country and experience our professional work environment. Secure employment, competitive salary and benefits.

Position requires relocation to south New Jersey or Ontario California dependant on company needs.

Candidate must possess a Current Part 135 qualification letter. (If you are qualified but need a Part 135 letter you must pay for initial training at CAE Simuflite. However, we will allow you to train at our corporate rate and will reimburse you for your initial training over a 24 month period as long as your are employed by the Company or until you upgrade to Captain. We will cover travel and hotel expenses during training and give you a prorated $2500/mo. stipend.) All subsequent training is Company covered.

We are seeking motivated individuals with an excellent attitude. Upon upgrade your salary base will be one of the highest in the industry, and in return we are seeking the highest caliber individuals.

Benefits offered:

Major medical
Dental
401K
Salary increases based on six month reviews
Salary range for SIC 48K-60K
Benefits: Competitive
Requirements: Minimum Qualifications:

First class medical certificate
Total fixed wing time: 2,000 hours
Total MEL: 1,500 hours
Total time last 12 months: 200 hours

Please state position you are applying for on your resume. No cover letter required.
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The worldwide thing does look like good risk vs. reward but didn't they just park a couple GIV's due to fuel costs and a slow charter market? What happens to your training loan at that point. My advice stay with the conventional gig and as always network yourself so when things get better you're the one they call.
 
I can certainly appreciate you not wanting to stay over in the great sand dune country but the States are not the place to be right now. Things are pretty bad and I'm not sure if they will get better any time too soon. My position is precarious right now as well, but as long as they are paying me, I am not about to venture out into a hostile pilot market at this time. If your current King Air gig can last at least 12 more months, you may want to revisit this question.

I'm typed in the Hawker and the GIII and prior to the current state of affairs, I saw plenty of Hawker jobs posted on various websites. The beauty of a Hawker type is that it covers all the various Hawkers (HS-125) out there (and please no one try to confuse a Hawker with a BeechJet) with differences training (1 day) except for the 1000. Now that is a valuable type in my experience. Good Luck!
 
I would not buy a type rating...

The market is hard. A type rating might get you an interview but the times are tough and there are probably already guys in the stack with more time in type and 7000 more hours than you have simply due to lay-offs. I recently had 10+ applicants with 10,000+ hours applying for a 40k/year citation SIC position... Keep your head up bro, but don't take out loans for training!
 

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