cactus callsign driving controllers nuts

[JonnyKnoxville]

we all like US Air better !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NOPE!!!

This is what happens when one airline bails out another. Nobody is complaining that American did not keep the TWA call sign. The only thing that is constant in life is change. Deal with it!

 

[Captain Overs]

The BTA code came from Britt Air - a HUF-based regional. The BTA certificate is what ExpressJet originally operated under.

Better than Jetlink calling themself "Britt Air" on the radio, just because their 3-letter is BTA...

At the time it was Expressjet, operating as Continental Express, under the Britt certificate, with a jetlink call sign, owned by Continental.

 

[Deadalus]

In reality the west at the time the decision was made didn't really care. Parker handed the ops. over to the East(dumb dumb dumb) and in return had the gaul to say, "Hey don't worry the west gets to keep the call sign and Coke". It's about the only thing the West got and I'm sure they don't want to give it up. Imagine a divorce judge handing over everything to the ex except the gear shift knob from your truck. The house, the boat, the kids, all her's. What really sucks is that the ex came into the relationship with no job and bad credit. Did I mention she's ugly to boot. If you can imagine this then you can begin to understand why the Westies say, "say CACTUS bi#%^!" West=rules East=tools

 

[LearLove]

In reality the west .....

the Westies say, "say CACTUS bi#%^!" West=rules East=tools

seriously - are you in the 3rd grade or something??

 

[WSurf]

seriously - are you in the 3rd grade or something??

Your giving him that much of an education? Your just too nice!

 

[weasel_lips]

seriously - are you in the 3rd grade or something??

Or simply retarded.

 

[SennaP1]

Don't you mean.

Gateway - Lindbergh Uhh Don't you mean Lumberg?

Shuttlecraft - Mercury

Fixed.

 

[FLYLOW22]

UsAir guys please grow up. I am sick of listening to this crap on ATC while I'm trying to relax on a transcon.

Awwww... because it's all about you. HAHAHHAA!!

 

[Deadalus]

Or simply retarded.

Oh, retorts from three scum bags with no integrity. Good luck getting hired anywhere when the company tanks.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

Zero, hence EYW (Key West) and BNA (Nashville). Interesting read.

well not quite... NEW is New Orleans Lakefront. It was grandfathered because it was already in use before the Navy took all the identifiers starting with N

 

[BigMotorToter]

In regards to the original post. Yes, I heard the controlers bitching about it too a couple of days ago. He was very candid about it over the air and said it really screws things up.

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

Controller in Washtington Center today told a USair flight that they had gotten some paperwork in regards to the callsign. The USair guy very enthusastically goes "they are changing it back to usair??"

Nope, apparently all flights will be filed as AWE shortly.

 

[Bringupthebird]

Nope, apparently all flights will be filed as AWE shortly.

Well the east guys wanted the world to be in AWE of them. Now it's their turn to be in AWE.

 

[Grey Ghost]

Your giving him that much of an education? Your just too nice!

Is it your or You're? Crack a book every now and again, flyboy!!!

 

[MESAhater]

Gateway - Lindbergh

Shuttlecraft - Mercury

Both Ho Jets and Scabpublic are centralized commuter airlines that have not been around for 20+ years throughout the entire country, europe, the islands, mexico, canada, etc. Blow Jets and Shepublic only operate certain areas and have only been around for a couple years. Plus the big issue is not the callsign change, but the USA instead of AWE on the FAA flight plan strip. If we must call ourselves cactus then file us AWE. If you file us USA then we are still US Air.

 

[dickburns]

aka Cactus Callsign driving UsAir pilots nuts.

I've heard plenty of controllers calling guys until they finally say "USair" and the pilot reply. Why they used USA instead of AWE for cactus? Who knows. Luckily in another week it's switching back to AWE permanently for the callsign Cactus.

 

[KCPilot]

Well the Military Callsigns must just kill the European controllers! Give me a break, get over it already and move on!

 

[Bringupthebird]

If you file us USA then we are still US Air.

What "WE"?

 

[WNC Flyer]

well not quite... NEW is New Orleans Lakefront. It was grandfathered because it was already in use before the Navy took all the identifiers starting with N

Don't forget Oceana NAS in VA, KNTU.

 

[cactusboy53]

I hear that the tag will read AWE (CACTUS) soon just to help those that are confused. I'm sure we'll see a full page USA Today advertisement regarding the tragedy soon .

 

[Deadalus]

I agree It's a travesty they have to say Cactus. The merger(aquisition) should have never occured. That way instead of them stumbling over "Cactus" there would just be dead space radio static, because THERE WOULD BE NO MORE US AIR.

 

[Tejas-Jet]

I agree It's a travesty they have to say Cactus. The merger(aquisition) should have never occured. That way instead of them stumbling over "Cactus" there would just be dead space radio static, because THERE WOULD BE NO MORE US AIR.

Deal with reality....it is what it is.

Kinda like having an ugly baby...gotta deal with it. This whining about "never should've happened" is nothing but mental masturbation...you'll never get any real satisfaction.

The real question is...as a line pilot with little or no influence...what is your solution?

 

[MK82Man]

Tejas -- you misread Deadalus's post. Deadalus is spot on. Without Cactus, AAA would have gone under.

Now we are going to change the strip to reflect AWE since the controllers are having such a hard time. It doesn't help when the East guys respond US Air instead of correcting the situation. It was a real pleasure to hear the East Blue top's response yesterday when told to follow us, "roger follow the America West Airbus." yeah we just smiled inside our Cactus jet ... those East guys are so professional -- the funny thing is that everyone in the industry knows how childish they sound.

 

[MK82Man]

For all those that just couldn't follow the rules. Here is the text of the FAA Change:

EFFECTIVE: 09/19/2008 TIME 0800Z

CANCELLATION: 01/15/2009

SUBJECT: CHANGES TO FAA ORDER JO 7340.2, CONTRACTIONS, CHAPTER 3, SECTIONS 1, 2, AND 3.

THE FOLLOWING ADDITION, CANCELLATION, MODIFICATION TO THE CORPORATE
TELEPHONY AND IDENTIFIER ASSIGNMENTS HAVE BEEN APPROVED.

THIS CANCELS GENOT RWA 8/20

MODIFICATIONS COMPANY TELEPHONY IDENT

FROM: US AIRWAYS (PHOENIX, AZ) CACTUS USA
TO : US AIRWAYS (PHOENIX, AZ) CACTUS AWE

 

[weasel_lips]

Tejas -- you misread Deadalus's post. Deadalus is spot on. Without Cactus, AAA would have gone under.

Now we are going to change the strip to reflect AWE since the controllers are having such a hard time. It doesn't help when the East guys respond US Air instead of correcting the situation. It was a real pleasure to hear the East Blue top's response yesterday when told to follow us, "roger follow the America West Airbus." yeah we just smiled inside our Cactus jet ... those East guys are so professional -- the funny thing is that everyone in the industry knows how childish they sound.

What a sad life you live.

 

[WSurf]

Is it your or You're? Crack a book every now and again, flyboy!!!

Why is that you grammer police folks come across as tools? Maybe because its the only come back you have?

You should do less book cracking, and more a$$ cracking.

Now I can see why everyone at Piedmont Airlines thought you were a big turd.

 

[cactusboy53]

What a sad life you live.

Weasel;
Sad? No. We refuse to roll over and die and or quit at the incessant attacks against Cactus pilots. The USAPA machine is appealing the lawsuit (that was dismissed with prejudice), and we hear that they are sending out letters to pilots that threatens to fire any pilots that have not joined your little fiefdom.

Amazing. America West NEVER fired a pilot under the Section 29 portion of the contract. I believe the same could be said about the former US Air. That said, USAPA is attempting to FORCE terminations at the new airline for the first time.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch pilots that were working BEFORE America West Holdings acquired US Air are going to be furloughed (October 1st) BEFORE new hire pilots (third list) that are working in the east bases. Not exactly "date of hire", huh?

USAPA is blissfully helping east pilots become the new pariahs of the US Commercial Airline world. Just wait and see how much good will is repaid back to you for the rest of your careers.

Smile and enjoy the ride. If Parker launches after UAL or some other airline for merger, your USAPA will be voted into extinction.

I've got to go now. I'm writing letters to my senators (Bond & McCaskill) about how you seem to empower the furlough of former TWA/AWA now LCC pilots ahead of new hires. You might remember that Bond & McCaskill amended a bill last winter that protects airline employees in a merger (it somewhat mirrors the ALPA merger policy). I'm also writing to the Department of Labor, NMB, and other various committees.

It's funny. Those that have responded can not believe the shenanigans that happening here.

 

[Fly-n-hi]

And people wonder why some politicians think that pilots are greedy crybabies. Thanks USAPA for helping to improve our image.

 

[Fly-n-hi]

The new callsign is Cactus. Just deal with it.

 

[denny]

Its all part of our plan to destroy USAPA now that they have accepted many of us as members! Now that I'm on the inside I am going to pillage, undermine and destroy this joke of a union. For the brotherhood and the profession.