Mesaba adjusting -900 and SF34 vacancies

[Rook]

It wasn't ATP minimums but the upgrade did slide all the way to the bottom of the list in the G concorse days. I remember Joe having a talk with the the new hire about his choice to take AVRO ca and reminded him that he was still on probation.

I think mostly, what many are poking fun at here, is the high and mighty attitude of some new hires because of the ac they were on.

Which brings up a memory of the same.

I was an fo on the saab. The (senior)ca and I went to get lunch in the main concorse at DTW. We ran into some of his friends which were also very senior. A few Dash ca's and one Avro crew. They started talking about the trips they were on and getting very little time to eat. The avro guy smiled and said his first class meal they just had was tasty. The new hire avro fo spouted off about how sick and tired he was at eating the chicken and how the airline should put more choices on the ac! You can imagine that went over like a fart in church. The Dash Ca's proceeded to give him a verbal lashing until the avro ca spoke up and told them to give the fo a break because he just doesn't understand.

Some just don't understand.

Good post brotha.

 

[EmeliaE]

Just because one can hold the upgrade at ATP mins or Company mins (3500TT) it Doesn't mean they can be a captain.

You bet they can!

Just look around and you'd see many who are. Some of them have been captains for years!

Remember...it's not the hardest job in the world. You wanna know what's hard to study and be competent at: go to Medical school.

In this profession, even for the major airlines, a college degree in your profession is not required. Get it?

 

[Flybet3]

You bet they can!

Just look around and you'd see many who are. Some of them have been captains for years!

Remember...it's not the hardest job in the world. You wanna know what's hard to study and be competent at: go to Medical school.

In this profession, even for the major airlines, a college degree in your profession is not required. Get it?

Yeah OK, I'll give you a 50/50 on that one.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

yea but one big mistake by the doctor and 1 patient dies. One big mistake by me and I am 1 of up to 80 dead.

 

[wmuflyguy]

yea but one big mistake by the doctor and 1 patient dies. One big mistake by me and I am 1 of up to 80 dead.

You can't even compare the two.

 

[Flybet3]

You can't even compare the two.

I agree. B/c mistakes are made in the cockpit every single day. Does anyone get hurt? Not really. But if a Doc makes a "simple" mistake, then the patient is fu***.
In order for us to make a mistake that kills everyone on board, then it has to be a pretty BIIIIIG incompetent mistake.

 

[JustaNumber]

In order for us to make a mistake that kills everyone on board, then it has to be a pretty BIIIIIG incompetent mistake.

Unfortunately a common misconception, especially of the Ipod generation. Usually it's a series of small mistakes that go uncaught--you know, the swiss cheese model. Remember Comair? Or countless other thousands of accidents over the years. The Pinnacle accident that you probably had in mind is more of an aberration. ANYBODY can have an accident.

Just don't forget to pay attention to as many details as possible, everybody.

 

[Flyer1015]

Just because one can hold the upgrade at ATP mins or Company mins (3500TT) it Doesn't mean they can be a captain.

Right, but we aren't talking about a merit-based system. It's seniority based. If you have enough time and enough seniority, then you get the chance to go to upgrade training. Then it is up to you to pass.

 

[Flybet3]

Right, but we aren't talking about a merit-based system. It's seniority based. If you have enough time and enough seniority, then you get the chance to go to upgrade training. Then it is up to you to pass.

That's what I mean bro. Just b/c your seniority can hold it and you have the mins it doesn't mean you will pass. At least at Mesaba I have seen that Line Check airmen are outstanding. They don't just look at your flying, but at what of person you are. If you airman ship sucks and attitude sucks, then it doesn't matter how good you can do a steep turn. At least that's what I've experienced, and seen at Mesaba.

 

[Flyer1015]

Well that's pretty much everywhere, at least it should be. Just like how there are some FOs that should never have passed, there are some CAs that make you think how the hell did this guy make it.

 

[EmeliaE]

Right, but we aren't talking about a merit-based system. It's seniority based. If you have enough time and enough seniority, then you get the chance to go to upgrade training. Then it is up to you to pass.

Right on! That's what I meant. For instance, you just can't get to be a Heart Surgeon or a Plastic/Orthopaedic Surgeon because you're the most senior and the 'opening' is posted.

In aviation, that's the curse. If you're senior, you get a shot. My upgrading captain mucked up his whole check ride, but since he's been there for over 20 years, the examiner, who also is a company pilot, and knows him, let so many things slide. What a joke!

 

[EmeliaE]

That's what I mean bro. Just b/c your seniority can hold it and you have the mins it doesn't mean you will pass. At least at Mesaba I have seen that Line Check airmen are outstanding. They don't just look at your flying, but at what of person you are. If you airman ship sucks and attitude sucks, then it doesn't matter how good you can do a steep turn. At least that's what I've experienced, and seen at Mesaba.

I guess then you 'have not' seen much then at Mesaba!

 

[flap operator]

Care to elaborate Emelia? Are you saying the LCAs suck?

 

[callowayhd]

i applied there, hope to hear something soon

i heard from a reliable source they are getting 36 more crj's and some Q 400's

 

[OUPilot]

those q400's are mx pigs. just ask the horizon guys/gals.

 

[Limeyflyer]

The Rumors have been running rampant at XJ lately. I will believe it when I see it. Don't believe everything you hear around the crew rooms

 

[avrorj-85]

The Rumors have been running rampant at XJ lately. I will believe it when I see it. Don't believe everything you hear around the crew rooms

That is very true, Limey. Don't believe the one about new planes until you see them roll on the property. However, after being here at XJ for 9 years I am just glad that all of what I am hearing are "happy" rumors instead of the ones that contain anything concerning furloughs, bankruptcies, or the company shutting down. We will get plenty of those the next time we are in contract negotiations. Enjoy the good times while they are here, no matter how the rumors end up...

Just my .02 worth.

 

[Flybet3]

I guess then you 'have not' seen much then at Mesaba!

No one is perfect. But at least the ones I know, and have worked with have been great and very professional.....Oh yeah, and kiss my left nut EMA!

 

[Gr82Aviate]

Right on! That's what I meant. For instance, you just can't get to be a Heart Surgeon or a Plastic/Orthopaedic Surgeon because you're the most senior and the 'opening' is posted.

In aviation, that's the curse. If you're senior, you get a shot. My upgrading captain mucked up his whole check ride, but since he's been there for over 20 years, the examiner, who also is a company pilot, and knows him, let so many things slide. What a joke!

You have crewmembers that have taken "over 20 years" to upgrade???

 

[WMUSIGPI]

The only reliable rumor is that I will be called once again, and assigned another day of ready reserve tomorrow.... What a crock!