Israeli exit stamp

[propdog]

On one of my recent trips into TLV, I got an exit stamp on my passport. My next month's schedule has me going to Kuwait. Will this be a problem as a flight crew member on duty entering KWI with an Israeli stamp? Should I get a duplicate passport? How do I get a duplicate passport...just explain the situation to the passport office?

 

[TWA]

I think you have to submit a special form to the State Department, but there is a provision to get a second passport for that exact reason. Actually, the only way you can have two passports is if one is specifically for Israeli use.

 

[Kharma Police]

On one of my recent trips into TLV, I got an exit stamp on my passport. My next month's schedule has me going to Kuwait. Will this be a problem as a flight crew member on duty entering KWI with an Israeli stamp? Should I get a duplicate passport? How do I get a duplicate passport...just explain the situation to the passport office?

You're not an attaché for the Mossad are you?

 

[Hair-on-Fire]

Actually, the only way you can have two passports is if one is specifically for Israeli use.

Well, that's not true.

Current regulations reflect the long standing policy of the Department of State that no person should be in possession of more than one valid, or potentially valid, passport at any one time unless under circumstances specifically authorized by the Secretary of State. The issuance of a second, concurrently valid passport should be considered an exception to the regulations, and is to be approved on an individual basis only where justified. The validity of a regular American passport is ten (10) years. The second, concurrently valid passport will be limited in validity for two (2) years. This passport is not extendable.
To apply for a second passport, the applicant will need to submit the following documents:

• a valid regular passport;
• a completed passport application form DS-82, available at https://pptform.state.gov/ If you experience trouble with the Passport Application Wizard, click here for Form DS-82 [PDF]. For tips on completing the DS-82 [PDF], please follow this link;
• a completed "Statement in Support of Application for Second Passport" available at http://london.usembassy.gov/cons_new/acs/forms/uk523.pdf
• passport fee of $75. (Mastercard, Visa, American Express, Diner's Club and Discover credit cards are accepted - please use our credit card form);
• a pre-paid, self-addressed Special Delivery Envelope which shows "postage and minimum fee paid". Alternatively, you can arrange for the Embassy's contracted courier service, Special Mail Services (SMS), to deliver your second passport.
• Two new passport photographs. The photographs must:
  • be identical
  • be taken within the last six months
  • be printed on high quality photographic paper
  • be untrimmed
  • measure 2" by 2" excluding white border
  • show head size between 1 inch and 1 3/8 inch from the chin to top of the head
  • show applicant facing completely forward (head not turned)
  • be taken in normal street attire, without a hat, head covering, or dark glasses unless a signed statement is submitted by the applicant verifying the item is worn daily for religious purposes or a signed doctor's statement is submitted verifying the item is used daily for medical purposes
  • have a white or off-white background
  • be in color (black and white photographs are NOT acceptable)

The Embassy will reject any photographs that do not conform to the above standards (e.g., photo too small, head size too small or too large, not identical, out of focus, dark background). Please see the attached information on passport photographs for an example.
Following its receipt at this office, your application will be processed and a new second passport returned to you in approximately 15 workdays. We cannot respond to inquiries as to the status of your passport before 15 business days have passed.

 

[m80drvr]

On one of my recent trips into TLV, I got an exit stamp on my passport. My next month's schedule has me going to Kuwait. Will this be a problem as a flight crew member on duty entering KWI with an Israeli stamp? Should I get a duplicate passport? How do I get a duplicate passport...just explain the situation to the passport office?

I think they will understand that you are a pilot and that as a pilot you fly many different places......

 

[TWA]

I think they will understand that you are a pilot and that as a pilot you fly many different places......

I doubt it. Most of the countries that don't view Israel as a country WILL revoke your passport on arrival. I don't know what Kuwait's stand is, but Saudi makes NO exceptions.

 

[Cardinal]

I hear a stoning isn't quite the worst way to die...

 

[Gulfstream 200]

I think you have to submit a special form to the State Department, but there is a provision to get a second passport for that exact reason. Actually, the only way you can have two passports is if one is specifically for Israeli use.

Wow...this is pretty far off!....

Getting a second passport is very easy, especially if you are flight crew. Its normal for pilots who do a lot of INTL work to have 2 passports...one to use while the other is out getting Visas. It has NOTHING to do with visiting Israel.

G3 visas is who we use. They can get you a second passport in about 48hrs.

http://www.g3visas.com/v2/index.html

FWIW - why did they stamp your passport? I have never heard of them doing that, they always give you a slip of paper to attatch to your passport and remove it upon departure....and NO, I wouldn't try to use an Israeli stamped passport anywhere else in the Mideast.

Even entering Israel can be tough...I have had to sit and explain why I have entries and exits from Jordan in my passport from years earlier. All were work related and she eventually warmed up to it...but still, make it as easy as possible.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

I think they will understand that you are a pilot and that as a pilot you fly many different places......

OH MY! - NO, they definitely dont understand that at all.

Get the second passport.

 

[propsarebest]

Just "lose" the first one and you are good to go...

 

[propsarebest]

Ohh, and next time you go, ask the immigration people to stamp a separate piece of paper and throw that in your passport. Our guys do that all the time.

 

[Bigoober]

Let's just say that I needed to call Tel Aviv while I was in Kuwait and Bahrain. As soon as the country code was dialed either from the hotel phone or my cell phone, the line would go dead.

Those guys are serious about not recognizing Israel and thus, now your passport.

 

[propdog]

Wow...this is pretty far off!....

Getting a second passport is very easy, especially if you are flight crew. Its normal for pilots who do a lot of INTL work to have 2 passports...one to use while the other is out getting Visas. It has NOTHING to do with visiting Israel.

G3 visas is who we use. They can get you a second passport in about 48hrs.

http://www.g3visas.com/v2/index.html

FWIW - why did they stamp your passport? I have never heard of them doing that, they always give you a slip of paper to attatch to your passport and remove it upon departure....and NO, I wouldn't try to use an Israeli stamped passport anywhere else in the Mideast.

When I entered TLV, I told the immigration not to stamp it...they let me in the country without an entry stamp or a slip...nothing...nada. During exit, I got an exit stamp from TLV exit immigration...my mistake...I forgot to mention not to stamp it. Thanks for the link to G3.

 

[propdog]

Just "lose" the first one and you are good to go...

Well...I got a bunch of crew visas (China, France etc) in my old passport. Too much of a pain to get all the visas re-stamped in the new one!!

 

[Andy]

Current regulations reflect the long standing policy of the Department of State that no person should be in possession of more than one valid, or potentially valid, passport at any one time unless under circumstances specifically authorized by the Secretary of State.

Apples and oranges, but I've got three valid passports. A regular blue one, an official red one, and a black diplomatic one. I travel on the diplomatic passport when on official govt business. I don't use the official one. I use the blue one for vacations and when I fly for my airline.

Just as I've been issued several passports, I would imagine that the situation described by the original poster would fall under circumstances specifically authorized by the Secretary of State.

 

[TWA]

Sorry, sorry, got my info from a buddy who worked at an embassy in Saudi. Obviously wrong, so please disregard most info in my first response.

 

[propdog]

Thanks for all the replies. I just called the local passport office and they told me to come in with the filled forms to get a duplicate passport!

 

[Papa Woody]

I doubt it. Most of the countries that don't view Israel as a country WILL revoke your passport on arrival. I don't know what Kuwait's stand is, but Saudi makes NO exceptions.

But Islam is a religion of peace.

 

[MILPILOT17]

I think they will understand that you are a pilot and that as a pilot you fly many different places......

I'm sure they will understand!? NOT! Just tell them you were in TLV to inspect the Nuke guidance systems to ensure they hit the designated targets.

 

[weasel_lips]

I think they will understand that you are a pilot and that as a pilot you fly many different places......

Hey, why don't you give it a try and let us know how it works out.

 

[johnnyb]

I think they will understand that you are a pilot and that as a pilot you fly many different places......

NO - they won't.

 

[another cfii]

Latest intel from some travel message boards saying that as of now, they won't even stamp it on a separate piece of paper. I hope it's just 1 incident, but if so, time to order a 2nd passport, or better yet, tear that page out after you come back and blame it on the dog

 

[oceandude]

I think you have to submit a special form to the State Department, but there is a provision to get a second passport for that exact reason. Actually, the only way you can have two passports is if one is specifically for Israeli use.

nope. got one while in africa at the embassy. real easy.

 

[propdog]

Latest intel from some travel message boards saying that as of now, they won't even stamp it on a separate piece of paper. I hope it's just 1 incident, but if so, time to order a 2nd passport, or better yet, tear that page out after you come back and blame it on the dog

I wouldn't tear the page out. Some immigration officials in middle east check to see for missing pages for the same reason...remember...the passport pages are numbered. It can also cause unnecessary delays at US entry points.

 

[Motown]

Even entering Israel can be tough...I have had to sit and explain why I have entries and exits from Jordan in my passport from years earlier. All were work related and she eventually warmed up to it...but still, make it as easy as possible.

Really? I find that surprising, especially since Jordan and Israel have an open border with each other. Israelis and Jordanians viewed each other longingly for years across the border, and when they finally opened the border in the 90's citizens from both sides poured in. (The border is also open with Egypt, but the travel seems very one sided-- Israelis visit Egypt but Egyptians are disuaded from visiting Israel, illustrating that the Israeli-Egyptian peace is very one sided.)

In January I had the following conversation with the Passport Control agent at Ben Gurion airport:

Passport Control Agent: Baruchim Haba'im. Welcome to Israel.
Me: Thank you. May I ask a question. Next month I plan to visit Dubai for a job interview. Will I have a problem the next time I come to Israel.
PCA: No, of course not. Why would you have a problem?
Me: Umm... Because I will have a stamp from an Arab country that does not have diplomatic relations with Israel?
PCA: So? We have many people with Arab stamps in their passport. Especially with Dubai, UAE there will not be a problem. Some Israeli businessmen travel to the UAE, and they have no problem there and they have no problem here.
Me: Really? They let Israelis in? I thought they didn't recognize Israel.
PCA: Well, they recognize the money the businessmen bring. For business the sometimes forget they hate us.
Me: Okay, thank you very much.
PCA: Enjoy your visit Mr. XXXX. L'hitra'ot Shalom, XXXXX (to my 4-year-old).

 

[TWA Dude]

Even entering Israel can be tough...I have had to sit and explain why I have entries and exits from Jordan in my passport from years earlier. All were work related and she eventually warmed up to it...but still, make it as easy as possible.

Don't take it personally. Five of my immediate famliy crossed from Jordan to Israel and it took over an hour of searches and interrogation -- and we're Jewish. It's just the way things are peace treaty or not.

 

[Diesel]

Man you let them stamp your passport?

I've never had them do that. You must have pissed someone off bad.

 

[TWA Dude]

Passport Control Agent: Baruchim Haba'im. Welcome to Israel.

You should've inquired why he was addressing you in the plural. When talking to just one person I say baruch haba (or to a woman b'rucha haba'a).

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Don't take it personally. Five of my immediate famliy crossed from Jordan to Israel and it took over an hour of searches and interrogation -- and we're Jewish. It's just the way things are peace treaty or not.

Oh I dont....they often split up the flight crew and ask questions...I guess just SOP there at times.

Often the chiks doing this are very hot, and toting a nice gun...which is even hotter.

 

[Motown]

You should've inquired why he was addressing you in the plural. When talking to just one person I say baruch haba (or to a woman b'rucha haba'a).

I was traveling with my son... so together we were plural. My (almost) 4-year-old was having fun flirting with her-- they were winking back and forth with each other.