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Am I reading this right that beginning today (Aug 25) the DOT has mandated that if they don't like the color or temperature of your urine they can require you to essentially strip naked while watching you urinate.
 
That sucks. Is that targeted against pilots or ground workers?

Pilots very rarely fail drug tests. Other departments have much higher fail rates.
 
I remember taking drug tests in the Marines, some poor Navy Corpsman actually had to watch us whip it out, and watch us pee in the bottle to verify that during the whole process we did nothing to contaminate the sample. He sat in a chair and watched from the side at waist level. Talk about stage fright.
 
RadioClash said:
I remember taking drug tests in the Marines, some poor Navy Corpsman actually had to watch us whip it out, and watch us pee in the bottle to verify that during the whole process we did nothing to contaminate the sample. He sat in a chair and watched from the side at waist level. Talk about stage fright.
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I would love for anyone of these a-holes to ask me to whip it out. Then all I can do is say "Yeah, I know. This is what your woman fantasizes about. Hang on, let me reel it back in."
 
I already get "watched" randomly during Army urine tests, now the airlines want to see it too? There couldn't have been a problem with someone faking a piss test....
 
Rumor has it, some of the male FA's will be volunteering to watch and authenticate your whiz while the DOT gets the program together. :eek:
 
Amish RakeFight said:
Rumor has it, some of the male FA's will be volunteering to watch and authenticate your whiz while the DOT gets the program together. :eek:
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AHAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!!! That was sooooo below the belt but it was soooooo funny!!!
 
The airport is where your civil liberties go to die.
 
Someone out there actually believes airline pilots are mature professionals. They couldn't prove it here, that's for sure.

More places where I've worked have watched during urine samples, than not. I was frankly surprised when being sent to a drug testing center that didn't have an observer in the room.

Is falsifying a urine test big business? Ever get on the internet and look? It's a huge business, with people mailing you their urine. Special setups to get it to body temperature, methods to make it look like you're giving the sample when you're not...it's very big business. We've even had some fairly well known names on this very site talking about their time spent at pot parties...we've had discussions about testing positive for second hand smoke and so forth before...so yes, it's an issue.

I've tested positive...and I don't drink or do any kind of substance abuse. I don't drink sodas that much, or even take much in the way of over the counter medications...yet I tested positive and despite a split sample, had to go back again before I was exonerated. It does happen.

I don't see anywhere that this program dictates that one "strip." Removing clothing or demonstrating that one isn't wearing a prosthetic device isn't at all the same as stripping or giving samples while naked. Let's not get carried away here.

Don't think its' big business? Do a simple search.

http://www.ureasample.com/
 
You wanna see me naked and piss? Fine with me, but be careful, I push awfuly hard at the end to make sure I get every drop out...and I have been known to shoot the green apple splatters.
 
I read through the brief (no pun intended) on the rule change, and the only big policy change I see is the ability to search for prostetics/tubes IF there is evidence of tampering.
The DOT policy has always been to conduct observed collections if there was evidence of tampering - so no change in policy there, as far as I can see. Not saying I like it - just don't see a big difference in the policy.
Actually, the DOT policy specifically says that the collector CAN NOT require you to remove clothing for testing. Some hospitals now are requiring their workers to put on hospital gowns for their drug tests (get to keep their underwear on underneath,) even if they don't suspect any kind of tampering. I kinda think this is pointless, as its somewhat intrusive, and doesn't provide much additional protection against tampering. So the DOT rules actually prevent a collector from asking you to strip.
Personally, I don't understand why the whole drug testing system doesn't go over to hair or saliva testing - or something of that nature. Much harder to cheat, supposedly more accurate, and much less intrusive. That would make the whole dreaded drug testing process a little easier - unless you were a drug user.
 
Razorback Flyer said:
I read through the brief (no pun intended) on the rule change, and the only big policy change I see is the ability to search for prostetics/tubes IF there is evidence of tampering.
The DOT policy has always been to conduct observed collections if there was evidence of tampering - so no change in policy there, as far as I can see. Not saying I like it - just don't see a big difference in the policy.
Actually, the DOT policy specifically says that the collector CAN NOT require you to remove clothing for testing. Some hospitals now are requiring their workers to put on hospital gowns for their drug tests (get to keep their underwear on underneath,) even if they don't suspect any kind of tampering. I kinda think this is pointless, as its somewhat intrusive, and doesn't provide much additional protection against tampering. So the DOT rules actually prevent a collector from asking you to strip.
Personally, I don't understand why the whole drug testing system doesn't go over to hair or saliva testing - or something of that nature. Much harder to cheat, supposedly more accurate, and much less intrusive. That would make the whole dreaded drug testing process a little easier - unless you were a drug user.
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Very expensive compared to urine testing. Maybe in the future it will get cheaper but for now it doesn't make much sense dollars wise.
 
Herkdrv said:
Very expensive compared to urine testing. Maybe in the future it will get cheaper but for now it doesn't make much sense dollars wise.
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Hair will find things from your college days (i.e., things from years ago). Urine provides a better window of substance usage due to the metabolic process. Of course maybe the technogology is there to determine via a piece of hair when you did what, kind of like the inner rings of a tree.
 
I know people who have done acid, and they should never be allowed to fly an airplane. I have personally never done "drugs".

Some drugs are worse than others (from a physical and judgment standpoint). The FBI prohibits hiring anyone anyone who used marijuana within the past three years or more than 15 times ever. They also ban anyone who used other illegal drugs, such as cocaine or heroin, within the past 10 years or more than five times.

However, I think some drugs should be legalized. Also, someone shouldn't fail a drug test because they did drugs legally in a place like Amsterdam. Although I am not sure how much time should elapse before you can fly an airplane (weeks, months, or years?). How do foreign airlines handle this issue. Are foreign pilots prohibited from EVER using any drugs (even when they are legal in parts of their country)?
 
When I came to, the general back-alley ambience of the suite was so rotten, so incredibly foul. How long had I been lying there? All these signs of violence. What had happened? There was evidence in this room of excessive consumption of almost every type of drug known to civilized man since 1544 AD. What kind of addict would need all these coconut husks and crushed honeydew rinds? Would the presence of junkies account for all these uneaten french fries? These puddles of glazed ketchup on the bureau? Maybe so. But then why all this booze? And these crude pornographic photos smeared with mustard that had dried to a hard yellow crust? These were not the hoofprints of your average God-fearing junky. It was too savage. Too aggressive.
 
Beetle007 said:
However, I think some drugs should be legalized. Also, someone shouldn't fail a drug test because they did drugs legally in a place like Amsterdam. Although I am not sure how much time should elapse before you can fly an airplane (weeks, months, or years?). How do foreign airlines handle this issue. Are foreign pilots prohibited from EVER using any drugs (even when they are legal in parts of their country)?
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Marijuana is not officially legal in AMS, it is only tolerated like many other things such as prostitution. They have a culture of tolerance and there are stipulations as to how much a proprietor may have on hand and how much he may sell to an individual per transaction.

A few years ago, Canada decriminalized larger quantities of marijuana up to an ounce. They do this so as to not waste resources in the nonsense of arresting people for small personal use. Bascially, anything above an ounce will get you arrested.

Think of all this like jay-walking. In NYC it's technically against the law, but we all do it and it's not enforced.


http://www.geocities.com/stevenedw/gedogen.html
The Dutch verb gedogen is not really translatable; into English nor any other language. The term is Dutch, the concept is Dutch — and its application only works in Holland.
The nearest approximation of "gedogen," in English, is "to tolerate." Tolerance is passive, though. Gedogen is active. Gedogen is an open-eyed tolerance, and a matter of governmental policy.
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My company uses hair for testing. They go back 3 months. They can go further but 3 months is there limit. They can tell the exact day +/- a couple. I'd pee in front of someone any day.:nuts:
 

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