Standard Rate turn requirements

[dickburns]

Is there any requirement for standard rate turns? If there are, can you cite some references (AIM or FAR, please!).

Thanks for your help with this.

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[TWA69]

Dickburns......

I suggest penecilian.

 

[Andy Neill]

Is there any requirement for standard rate turns? If there are, can you cite some references (AIM or FAR, please!).

Thanks for your help with this.

(posted also in Regionals and Corporate)

If you consider the Instrument Flying Handbook a worthy reference, there are multiple mentions of using a standard rate turn. For instance, look at the turns executed as part of an instrument approach described on pages 5-30 through 5-32.

http://www.faa.gov/library/manuals/...andbook/media/FAA-H-8083-15A-Chapters 5-7.pdf

For those flying faster aircraft, turns will be less than standard simply because the degree of bank required will exceed 30 degrees.

 

[A-Track]

Yeah 3 degrees per second for standard rate.

 

[172Junky]

Are you asking for requirements if/when standard rate turns are to be used?

 

[VW Pilot]

I thought standard rate turns are ALWAYS used during instrument flight??? 3dgs per second and for faster planes 1.5dgs per second....or 15DGs bank standard....

 

[avbug]

If faster airplanes used 15 degree banks, getting a turn done would eat up a lot of real estate. 25-30 degree bank with a flight director or autopilot is more standard.

We only do 15 degrees when slow and within 10 knots of the minimum speed for our flap configuration. Otherwise we use 30 degrees of bank when flying by hand, or the 25 degrees commanded by the flight director, or autopilot. For small changes in direction, lesser banks are used.

 

[Booster]

Here is a nice explaination of SRT.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ROT

 

[VW Pilot]

Avbug...I think you misundertood me..probably because of the way I typed it. I meant 15dg banks for standard rate turns. Not 15dg banks for faster planes. And 1.5dgs per second for faster planes, half standard. I was using 15dgs standard as in reference to putt putts like 172s and Warriors.When learning the manuevers, 100 KTS is used while under the hood....At least this is what is taugh by the two instructors I have been with and this is what Sporty's Instrument Rating DVD course is saying. The mis-undertanding came from my typing error...

 

[Andy Neill]

Avbug...I think you misundertood me..probably because of the way I typed it. I meant 15dg banks for standard rate turns. Not 15dg banks for faster planes. And 1.5dgs per second for faster planes, half standard. I was using 15dgs standard as in reference to putt putts like 172s and Warriors.When learning the manuevers, 100 KTS is used while under the hood....At least this is what is taugh by the two instructors I have been with and this is what Sporty's Instrument Rating DVD course is saying. The mis-undertanding came from my typing error...

I'm betting most air carrier aircraft have no means of measuring a standard rate turn other than the heading indicators and a clock. We had no turn needle.

 

[nosehair]

We had no turn needle.

?? "Turn Needle" ?? ..is that like 'on the beam' ?

Seriously, though, to the original OP, who is looking for a 'regulatory' or 'other' *requirement* for the standard rate turn.

I think it used to be in the AIM as a standard for vectors. The controller needed to know the turn would be at the 3 degree rate. At slow speeds.

I can't find that reference in the AIM now, and a lot has changed since Everthing Is Radar And GPS, so I don't know anymore...