Seniority by Date of Hire

[rajflyboy]

Thats how it should always be when two union pilot groups merge! Period !

 

[kwick]

I agree, but I think there should be fences to protect current seat position and domicile.

Why some people beleive that their time invested in an airline is worth any more than anybody else's is beyond me.

 

[Capt. Caucasian]

First Page!

PS: You're both wrong.

 

[rajflyboy]

I agree, but I think there should be fences to protect current seat position and domicile.

Why some people beleive that their time invested in an airline is worth any more than anybody else's is beyond me.

I agree.. for a certain time period.

 

[TV9Driver]

you obviously don't fly for American Airlines......

 

[rajflyboy]

you obviously don't fly for American Airlines......

Thats right.. I don't. You guys merge with an airline and then destroy that airlines pilot group!!

Leave all those peeps out on the street. How does that feel?

 

[Poahi]

Seniority will be based on years of fighting and backstabbing, arbitration and litigation. That's what happens when millions are at stake. It's unfortunate but here we are...

 

[rajflyboy]

Seniority will be based on years of fighting and backstabbing, arbitration and litigation. That's what happens when millions are at stake. It's unfortunate but here we are...

True. Very True.

 

[Capt. Caucasian]

So, let's say Continental and ExpressJet merge. Both have captains with 20+ years. Does the $97 an hour RJ captain with twenty years go above the $138 an hour 737 captain with three years? Windfall anyone?

 

[michael707767]

Why some people beleive that their time invested in an airline is worth any more than anybody else's is beyond me.

I disagree. Why anyone would think time at their airline means anything in how they should be integrated into our list is beyond me. I don't care how long you have been at an airline. Doesn't mean anything.

 

[rajflyboy]

So, let's say Continental and ExpressJet merge. Both have captains with 20+ years. Does the $97 an hour RJ captain with twenty years go above the $138 an hour 737 captain with three years? Windfall anyone?

You are not comparing apples to apples. You are comparing Apples to grapes!

With an Apple to Apple Merge >> Seniorty should be "Date of hire"

 

[TV9Driver]

raj,

I know exactly how that feels... I was in that pilot group that got kicked to the street...

I guess you didn't get the sarcasm in my first post.

I'm just a "Kmart pilot". Always will be....

 

[rajflyboy]

raj,

I know exactly how that feels... I was in that pilot group that got kicked to the street...

I guess you didn't get the sarcasm in my first post.

I'm just a "Kmart pilot". Always will be....

Gotcha!

That was a bad deal you guys went through!

 

[av8tor4239]

Continental and express jet will never merge so it is not not an issue...

 

[licorice]

DOH- what a joke! Ok rajboy, you're a senior 747 capt. at relatively new, all-747 airline "A" and you merge with an all 737 airline "B" that was established say, 5 years before your airline. Each fleet has the same # of airplanes. Lets say airline B hired for 5 years and stopped. Lets say your 747 pay is twice as much as airline B 737 capt and 3 times as much as airline B 737 F/O...got it..?---guess what, by DOH you will be junior to the MOST junior 737 COPILOT at "B" who was making 1/3 your salary--but that's OK because YOU will now be a 737 capt. making half as much as you were pre-merger. Now you can holler fences all you want...you can run but you can't hide..unless the fences are career-long, which kind of defeats the purpose of the merger a little bit, I would think....in fact, career long fences would effectively, and in fact, -be no "merger" at all of two seniority lists. Rajboy, can you "kind of" maybe see--just a little bit... how it might be slightly..too good of a deal for bottom copilot "B" and just... maybe...an ever so tiny bad deal for you, 747 capt. "A"?

 

[rajflyboy]

DOH- what a joke! Ok rajboy, you're a senior 747 capt. at relatively new, all-747 airline "A" and you merge with an all 737 airline "B" that was established say, 5 years before your airline. Each fleet has the same # of airplanes. Lets say airline B hired for 5 years and stopped. Lets say your 747 pay is twice as much as airline B 737 capt and 3 times as much as airline B 737 F/O...got it..?---guess what, by DOH you will be junior to the MOST junior 737 COPILOT at "B" who was making 1/3 your salary--but that's OK because YOU will now be a 737 capt. making half as much as you were pre-merger. Now you can holler fences all you want...you can run but you can't hide..unless the fences are career-long, which kind of defeats the purpose of the merger a little bit, I would think....in fact, career long fences would effectively, and in fact, -be no "merger" at all of two seniority lists. Rajboy, can you "kind of" maybe see--just a little bit... how it might be slightly..too good of a deal for bottom copilot "B" and just... maybe...an ever so tiny bad deal for you, 747 capt. "A"?

Ok. I can certainly see your point. Tell me how you feel about the way the USAIR deal went down? (East vs West) deal? I'm not a USAIR guy but I know a lot of those guys.

 

[outtahere]

Why should CAL and Expressjet not be date of hire with fences? Do you think that flying a bigger plane makes you a better pilot? If you have date of hire with fences and a trickle type bidding process there is no immediate windfall. This is the heart of all problems within Alpa, we all fly for a living, and I make more money flying an Rj than some do flying a 747. In this case size does not matter!!!

 

[FDJ2]

Thats how it should always be when two union pilot groups merge! Period !

You are wrong. Period!

 

[michael707767]

Ok. I can certainly see your point. Tell me how you feel about the way the USAIR deal went down? (East vs West) deal? I'm not a USAIR guy but I know a lot of those guys.

I'll jump in on this one. I think the USAir deal was pretty fair. I would have given the East pilots a little more consideration for future retirements, but not a whole lot. And I certainly would not have put any furloughed pilots ahead of any actively flying West pilots.

 

[McNugget]

Thats how it should always be when two union pilot groups merge! Period !

Pure Genius, really. Like shooting fish in a barrel.