How is Life at Gojets?

[Ben Johnson]

not sure if it was said... lets take a poll... who would like all associated with gojets to see a long painful death

 

[CX880]

OK, I'm all eyes and ears. Why don't you educate me? But before you do, please allow me to share with you what I know about the situation:

Hulas, your CEO, wanted to fly 70-seaters for UAL, but it would have been a violation of APA scope clause which would end your American Connection operation (BTW..think Eagle pilots look fondly at what they consider their flying being flown by TSA?).

Hulas, along with your holding company created GoJets to get around APA's scope, and approached TSA ALPA to fly on that other certificate if they'd agree to certain pay rates for 70-seat RJ's which TSA ALPA found to be subpar. Hulas then went ahead with his new certificate but since TSA ALPA wasn't interested in what he had to offer, he pressed on without TSA ALPA. Yes, it was perceived to be an alter ego carrier by ALPA. Some TSA pilots jumped at an opportunity to bypass seniority, and get captain slots at the new venture. THAT part along with the intentions to bypass the seniority were without a doubt despicable acts by the first cadre of pilots at GoJet.

ALPA then sued contending that Hulas was violating TSA pilots' scope by creating an alter ego airline, and also petitioned the NMB for single-carrier ruling for TSA and GoJet. Interesting to note is that ALPA didn't institute a recruitment ban for GoJets even before the NMB petition.

Unfortunately, Hulas appeared to have dotted all his I's and crossed all his T's and he did it well enough so that ALPA lawsuit got thrown out, and NMB ruled that it was not a single carrier.

This happened 3 years ago or so, right?

Fast track to the summer of 2008, GoJets pilots are represented by Teamsters, have similar pay and work rules to the rest of the regional industry. NMB ruled that it isn't a single carrier hence no combining of the lists - right or wrong, but the rule came against ALPA. Also, there is no recruitment ban currently in place by ALPA/IFALPA against GoJets. In the meanwhile, several career airlines and by that I mean airlines where 2nd year FO made more money than regional captains, went under putting thousands of pilots on the street.

I could understand the beef against the initial cadre of GoJets pilots because their INTENT was to bypass seniority. But post-ruling, post-unionizing, 3 years later, it's hardly the same argument. Your anger and blame are misplaced, IMO.

Now, please tell me what did I miss...

Spot on. It's about p!ssed of pilots who didn't play their cards right years ago. Get over it.

 

[masedogg19]

not sure if it was said... lets take a poll... who would like all associated with gojets to see a long painful death

ignorant a$$....you need to read FD's post above and educate yourself a little

 

[lowlycfi]

I'm calling 7 pages on this thread with an over/under of 2. Who want's some of that action.

 

[bmpilot2003]

Spot on. It's about p!ssed of pilots who didn't play their cards right years ago. Get over it.

PAST, PRESENT, OR FUTURE you are all still SCUMBAGS!

 

[motch]

MDW..
If you are asking a serious question and not flame baiting I'll bite-

I won't go into all the details about GoJet and their history because it's already been brought up on this thread and a few others...

I will ask this question.
With everything that is going on in the industry, why is it that GoJets and Mesa are the only ones hiring, at the regional level.

I would suggest looking at SouthWest before GJ.
The management team at GJ has shown their true colors in the past 3 years. They will not change.
If they were holding an open house at ORD it was merely to fill their ranks with warm bodies. The idea of qualifying you as both Capt/FO should raise a flag right there.

In the end, you will have to do what you think is best. Yes, people have gotten hired at the majors/LCC's/cargo companies from GJ. But it has been few.. and they have carried the stigma of GJ with them.

Just my opinion.
Motch
ex TSA now Legacy Carrier.

 

[Ben Johnson]

the part u missed is hulas gets away with paying his poeple at second and third year pay rates insted of the higher years of the tsa personal... its a great move by a dirt bag to save money and bend over pilots.. and the seniority of the tsa guys means nothing in there times of furlow... but your right we all should forgive and forget those who have help the down ward spiral of the airline industry... what was i thinking... so i read it and all i learned is that there are more horses a$$es than there are horses with that kind of logic i steal somones job wait a couple of years get a crappy contract a union and its all good... right

 

[rtmcfi]

Spot on. It's about p!ssed of pilots who didn't play their cards right years ago. Get over it.

I'm pissed off with moron pilots that keep applying for low-rent bottomfeeders like Mesa, TSA, Ho-jets. Subsidising these outfits with your time and labor is a mistake. Some folks are so dumb, they apply to and work for, all three! Then they bitch about how life is for them. It is amazing!

 

[flyboyzii]

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Originally Posted by relief tube
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Enjoy your no block or better, and as for that guy above who said its industry standard wages and contract, well that's pretty sad. We need to tell that guy to aim a little higher, because I'd say their definitely one of the lower ones.

They've got block or better chief.


Yes we do....leg by leg

 

[joeywoofwoof]

Maybe GoJet is hiring because they are getting MORE aircraft... hmmm? Last I heard, it was 10.

Folks, it's not about feeding your families- it's about the fact that there isn't anything wrong with working for GoJet. Industry standard pay and workrules. Get over it TSA, you voted it down- and WON! Move on.