C Series Update, NWA was looking at it before merger

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On a slow news day...

NWA was interested.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/07/14/business/14air.php?WT.mc_id=glob_mrktg_lnk2&WT.mc_ev=click

 

[johnsonrod]

On a slow news day...

NWA was interested.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/07/14/business/14air.php?WT.mc_id=glob_mrktg_lnk2&WT.mc_ev=click

I presume they were looking at it as a Diesel 9 replacement. Well, the new Delta will be using Diesel 9s as well, so, perhaps there will still be some interest... Let's hope!

 

[Superpilot92]

I wouldnt be surprised to just see more 737 ordered in the future as an eventual DC9 replacement. Unless the new C-series is really efficient and DAL is impressed with it. We'll see.

 

[FDJ2]

I wouldnt be surprised to just see more 737 ordered in the future as an eventual DC9 replacement. Unless the new C-series is really efficient and DAL is impressed with it. We'll see.

The DC-9, with it's 100-127 seats, fills the gap between the 76 seat RJ and the 142 seat MD-88 until the next generation hundred seater arrives, much like the old DAL 737-200s did. Maybe the C series, maybe the E195 will be it's replacement, not a 150 seat 737. The other possibility is to replace them with more 76 seaters and backfill with A319s and MD-88s as needed until a suitable 100 seat replacement aircraft arrives.

 

[Fly4hire]

The DC-9, with it's 100-127 seats, fills the gap between the 76 seat RJ and the 142 seat MD-88 until the next generation hundred seater arrives, much like the old DAL 737-200s did. Maybe the C series, maybe the E195 will be it's replacement, not a 150 seat 737. The other possibility is to replace them with more 76 seaters and backfill with A319s and MD-88s as needed until a suitable 100 seat replacement aircraft arrives.

I thought the JPWA essentially capped the current number of 76 seater's limiting (I hope) that scenario?

We need to keep as much of that flying in-house as our combined MEC's are able to. I don't care if it's a 100 seat DC3 so long as we don't lose more ground to the feeders.

Also know a few folks flying the E175 - not particularly impressed with the build quality - sort of like a Taurus compared to a Boeing's S&W. Also the cabin is smaller still than a MD/DC series and with half the overhead space. The 320 cabin is waaaay nicer than the MD/DC's.

 

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Fly4hire:

Wish we were getting the E175's on the property by stapling Compass. I do not know why our Reps have not taken advantage of the opportunity presented by SLI.

FDJ2:

You are exactly right. The 76 seaters that are coming will backfill, along with the A319's.

What most folks are overlooking is that the 737-700 is a 757 replacement to some degree. The 757's are headed to the desert instead of the maintenance shop.

Superpilot:

I think Delta will wait and learn more about the new engines and new airframe before making a commitment. The E175/E190 did not turn out as good as planned and it had a lot of derivative tech. The C Series will have a new and untried engine with a possibly tempermental gearbox, a new airframe and a Parker Hannifin fly by wire system based on F22 and F35 technology.

It will be interesting to see how this unfolds. A lot of jobs will eventually be effected. IMHO this is a bigger deal than the 787, based on numbers and employment.

I hope ALPA doesn't trade it away. They have an excellent opportunity to put the E175 & did not even ask the question. That tells me something.

 

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The 320 cabin is waaaay nicer than the MD/DC's.

4 or 5 across? IMHO the DC9/MD88 is nicer than the 737. The new seats are hard as concrete and have the dreaded middle seat. I'd rather be back in the "enchanted grotto" by the C4 compressor disk than anywhere in the aft cabin on a 737.

The 73NG is a nice airplane, just uncomfortable in back, IMHO.

 

[Superpilot92]

The DC-9, with it's 100-127 seats, fills the gap between the 76 seat RJ and the 142 seat MD-88 until the next generation hundred seater arrives, much like the old DAL 737-200s did. Maybe the C series, maybe the E195 will be it's replacement, not a 150 seat 737. The other possibility is to replace them with more 76 seaters and backfill with A319s and MD-88s as needed until a suitable 100 seat replacement aircraft arrives.

I thought the new 737-700's were coming with 124 seats? If so thats the same number as the DC9-50's.

 

[701EV]

Fly4hire:

Wish we were getting the E175's on the property by stapling Compass. I do not know why our Reps have not taken advantage of the opportunity presented by SLI.

Fins,

You know why they didn't take advantage the opportunity? It's the same reason they didn't do it in the summer of 2000. When are you going to take control over their? They need someone who can see 20 years down the road like you.

How are things going? Been meaning to call you to do lunch. Haven't been to the Rib Ranch in a while.

701EV

 

[Fly4hire]

4 or 5 across? IMHO the DC9/MD88 is nicer than the 737. The new seats are hard as concrete and have the dreaded middle seat. I'd rather be back in the "enchanted grotto" by the C4 compressor disk than anywhere in the aft cabin on a 737.

The 73NG is a nice airplane, just uncomfortable in back, IMHO.

3+3, aisle wide enough to roll a Purdy Neat in coach. Seats wider than on the MD/DC's

 

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Fins,

You know why they didn't take advantage the opportunity? It's the same reason they didn't do it in the summer of 2000.

701EV

Please don't get me started.

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[FDJ2]

I thought the new 737-700's were coming with 124 seats? If so thats the same number as the DC9-50's.

The new 737-700s are coming to serve high altitude airports requiring higher performance, such as Bogota 8360' and Quito 9228'. I'm not sure if that is necessarily the same market as the DC-9.

 

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[Superpilot92]

The new 737-700s are coming to serve high altitude airports requiring higher performance, such as Bogota 8360' and Quito 9228'. I'm not sure if that is necessarily the same market as the DC-9.

I didnt say the same market i said same number of seats But none the less it could be used in the same markets.

DAL keeps saying they like the -9 because of the cheap cost of ownership and lets hope they keep these things flying. They really do a great job on the short haul 100 seat markets. It seems they really want to use them to put more pressure on airtran. We'll see

 

[General Lee]

The new 737-700s are coming to serve high altitude airports requiring higher performance, such as Bogota 8360' and Quito 9228'. I'm not sure if that is necessarily the same market as the DC-9.

Well, not always high altitude airports. The 737-700s start next month at SNA, flying to CVG and the allnighter to ATL. But there will be other special airports that will use it's capabilities, like LGA to Vail (EGE) and possibly more cities in Latin America like Tegucigalpa.


Bye Bye--General Lee