C Series Update, NWA was looking at it before merger

[Diesel-9]

I still think somehow, and someday you will see 50-75 B-717's replace the -9's. Differences training, and perfect for all the short runways it can haul 100 pax and all the cargo into.

 

[FDJ2]

Well, not always high altitude airports. The 737-700s start next month at SNA, flying to CVG and the allnighter to ATL. But there will be other special airports that will use it's capabilities, like LGA to Vail (EGE) and possibly more cities in Latin America like Tegucigalpa.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Exactly, it won't be limited to Bogota, Quito, but generally speaking the aircraft will be flying longer legs and into special airports.

 

[FDJ2]

I didnt say the same market i said same number of seats But none the less it could be used in the same markets.

I hear what you are saying, but it's a costly replacement for that type of flying when compared to other alternatives, such as buying inexpensive after market Mad Dogs, or utilizing a combination of 76 seat RJs, 319s and 88s. A new 700 costs significantly more than a MD88/90, the 700s advantage is its performance, longer range and high/hot capabilities. It seems like a waste of talent to use it for ATL-SAV turns.

DAL keeps saying they like the -9 because of the cheap cost of ownership and lets hope they keep these things flying. They really do a great job on the short haul 100 seat markets. It seems they really want to use them to put more pressure on airtran. We'll see

I believe the merger will actually cause the 9s to stick around a short period longer than without the merger. One DC-9 can do the same job as 2 RJ50s. Instead of 2 RJs feeding two different hubs, you can utilize 1 DC-9 to feed 1 hub.

The big threat that I see down the road will be that the company will push for a 100 seater, such as the E-195 at Compass in the next round of negotiations. We can't allow that.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

I am glad that you feel that way FDJ2.
Scope is the single biggest threat to the mainline profession.
Those Jets need to be at mainline.
I addition to that, Compass needs to be on our list. Doing this will reverse the trend that has been unchecked for the last 15 years.

 

[Fly4hire]

The big threat that I see down the road will be that the company will push for a 100 seater, such as the E-195 at Compass in the next round of negotiations. We can't allow that.

Of course they will try. I hope that we aren't so enamored of the Intl flying that we fail to protect the 70 seat threshold at all costs.

Think where our collective careers at the legacies would be today if we had held the line at 50 seat's?

Give away 100 seats and we may as well give away all domestic flying......

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Also give away 777's with code share and you give away the golden egg. We must protect scope at both ends of our business.

 

[Superpilot92]

JUST SAY NO TO FURTHER SCOPE RELAXATION!! The majority of pilots seem to have figured out after the last round of scope F-Ups that giving up scope is a BAD idea. Lets hope that crowd continues to grow.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

It's not just the crowed, but the MEC as well.

 

[vprMatrix]

JUST SAY NO TO FURTHER SCOPE RELAXATION!! The majority of pilots seem to have figured out after the last round of scope F-Ups that giving up scope is a BAD idea. Lets hope that crowd continues to grow.

This is the best reason to vote down the joint contract. Further scope reductions that will last for four more years and a yet to be determined minimum aircraft floor at NW. We just can't keep giving. At very least Compass should be getting all future 76 seat aircraft and/or stapeled.

 

[Superpilot92]

The new 737-700s are coming to serve high altitude airports requiring higher performance, such as Bogota 8360' and Quito 9228'. I'm not sure if that is necessarily the same market as the DC-9.

On a related note,

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Delta-Air-Lines/Boeing-737-732/1372430/L/

 

[DYLIN]

Compass

Staple that thing, baby! Do it NOW!

 

[FDJ2]

On a related note,

[URL="http://www.airliners.net/photo/Delta-Air-Lines/Boeing-737-732/1372430/L/"]http://www.airliners.net/photo/Delta-Air-Lines/Boeing-737-732/1372430/L/[/URL]

Delta Air Lines Gets Ready for a Grand Entrance Into Tegucigalpa With a Brand-New Boeing 737-700
Tuesday July 22, 2:20 pm ET
New daily nonstop service between Atlanta and Honduras' capital city starts Dec. 18, 2008
ATLANTA, July 22, 2008 (PRIME NEWSWIRE) -- Delta Air Lines (NYSE:DAL - News) will launch the first-ever nonstop daily flights between Atlanta's Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport and Toncontin Airport in Honduras' capital city of Tegucigalpa, starting Dec. 18, 2008.* The new flights will be operated using brand-new Boeing 737-700 aircraft being delivered to Delta this year that will allow the addition of service at unique airports such as Tegucigalpa with short runways, extreme temperatures and high altitudes.
``We've been looking forward to flying into Tegucigalpa for a long time, and the brand-new 737-700 aircraft makes it possible, complementing the long list of Central American destinations Delta serves,'' said Delta's Christophe Didier, vice president of Sales and Government Affairs for Latin America and the Caribbean. ``Our flights to San Pedro Sula and Roatan have consistently performed well, and we are immensely optimistic to see Tegucigalpa become a great addition to our Honduras service.''
Delta inaugurated service to San Pedro Sula and Roatan in March 2006. Delta's schedule between Atlanta and Tegucigalpa starting Dec. 18,2008: --------------------------------------------------------------------- Flight Departs Arrives Frequency --------------------------------------------------------------------- 551 Atlanta at 9:40 a.m. Tegucigalpa at 12:15 p.m. Daily --------------------------------------------------------------------- 552 Tegucigalpa at 1:05 p.m. Atlanta at 5:40 p.m. Daily ---------------------------------------------------------------------
In celebration of the new Atlanta-Tegucigalpa service, Delta is offering customers a special one-way introductory fare of $329** for travel between Jan. 5 and March 31, 2009. Round-trip ticket purchase required. Tickets must be purchased by Aug. 4, 2008. Additional taxes/fees/restrictions/baggage charges may apply. Details are included below. The new flight to Tegucigalpa is part of Delta's ongoing international expansion, of which Latin America is a key component. Delta also will start flights between New York-JFK and Buenos Aires*, Argentina (Dec. 18); New York-JFK and Bonaire (Dec. 20); and Atlanta and Santiago de los Caballeros, Dominican Republic (Dec. 20). With the additional service to Tegucigalpa, Delta will offer over 340 weekly nonstop flights to more than 50 destinations across Latin America and the Caribbean from the airline's largest Latin gateway at Atlanta.

 

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On a related note,

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Delta-Air-Lines/Boeing-737-732/1372430/L/

Dig the blue wheel covers. Wonder if I can get a set for my Ford truck?

This will help Delta in Latin America. ATL makes a better and more direct hub than MIA does. As time goes on AA and DAL will be increasingly competitive.

 

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Staple that thing, baby! Do it NOW!

If it is ever going to be done NOW is the opportunity to take some flying back to mainline & get the type on the property.

Maybe FDJ2, or someone better informed than I, can explain why we have decided not to pursue this.

I'm very impressed with Delta's MEC, but frustrated that scope is nt a higher priority.

 

[Fly4hire]

If it is ever going to be done NOW is the opportunity to take some flying back to mainline & get the type on the property.

Maybe FDJ2, or someone better informed than I, can explain why we have decided not to pursue this.

I'm very impressed with Delta's MEC, but frustrated that scope is nt a higher priority.

Maybe because management at neither DAL or NWA have any desire to? Maybe because they want to keep the operations separate for whipsaw potential?
Maybe because neither MEC has the extra negotiating capital to "buy" it back at the expense of other negotiating priorities?

Don't get me wrong - I'd like to see them on the list as well as all other 50 seat and above flying. Just don't see how we are going to get there from here unless it's to the companies perceived benefit.