Thunderstorms, anyone fly thru them?

[Bryan D]

Just wondering. I know they contain every danger known to man and airplane but my boss wants me to fly thru or under them and I don't feel it's safe. Thoughts?

 

[pilotyip]

Not recommended

Used to, no wx radar on our P-3's in the 60's, crossing the Atlantic FL250 IFR ran into embedded TW's a couple times, You really get bounced around. Everyone had to be strapped in, rain sounds like machine guns. If there were really bad, a good operator on the surface search radar, APS 125, could pick'em out. Please correct me if I am wrong, there was a rule you could use to fly under them, 1/3 the distance below the frezzing level. Then again we used to fly in frezzing rain also.

 

[dapilot]

ARE YOU NUTS? **DO NOT** fly through thunderstorms no matter what aircraft you are in - are you looking for a deathwish? If you get stuck in one, you will probably get bounced around so much that you may impose structural damage. Thinking about flying underneath them? You can get up to 6000 fpm downdrafts ! There is a reason why airliners avoid them like the plague !

 

[tomgoodman]

Duh!

Several years ago, a joint USAF/NOAA project called "Rough Rider" placed data recorders in fighter planes and test pilots flew them into thunderstorms. I saw some of the pictures: smashed radomes, cracked canopies, dented wings, etc.
No one needs to collect any more data of this :smash: kind.

 

[pilotyip]

Read E. Gann, another pre-radar guy who flew them he describes it well.

 

[PURPLEHAZE21]

Just look at the NTSB data base on accidents involving thunderstorms. Every year a plane of some size is either severly damaged or is thrown out the bottom of a thunderstorm in a great, big pile of crummpled aluminum. I think those who don't make it through are the ones who really went through a storm. Everyone else was just close enough. It takes skill and experience to Not go through a CB...it takes total lack of knowledge and judgment to be in one.

 

[ATR-DRIVR]

Uh...no.

 

[GogglesPisano]

but my boss wants me to fly thru or under them and I don't feel it's safe. Thoughts?

Find another job.

 

[avbug]

I've done it in Lears doing weather research and modification. My strongest advice is to stay well clear of thunderstorms. Forces exist inside which may easily exceed the performance and structural capabilities of any aircraft ever built.

Inside cells I've encountered extreme turbulence, severe icing (up to three inches in one pass through a cell), and lightening which burned holes through control surfaces, fuel tanks, and up and down the sides of the aircraft. A year ago my own laptop was in a padded bag secured in the baggage, and had it's internals forcibly extracted from the forces encountered passing adjacent to a cell...not even through a cell. Additionally, one of my headsets, worn by an equipment operator in back, was broken. We encountered a strong buffet, shaker, and stick pusher and a roll of about 90 degrees when the bottom fell out. That was a mild event compared to what you can find in there.

I've been inside them in other aircraft too, and in every case can think of many other places I'd rather be. Again, I'd strongly recommend staying clear.

 

[30West]

Unless of course you're in a 210 or Baron flying cancelled checks and bottles of whizz according to some chuckleheads here who claim to do it " all the time"

I'd tell the guy in no uncertain terms what to do with himself and look for other work. Nobody needs their rubber dog doo that badly.

 

[Lear Wanna Be]

Yeah, when I was young and dumb and doing exactly what 30West was talking about. I mean, I was not dumb enough to fly directly thru something on the radar that was 10 miles in diameter, with lightning shooting out all sides, and it showing heavy precip on the radar. However, I certainly worked around and between cells and occasionally they closed up before I got there. There was the occasional rough ride and once or twice I gained a 1,000' or so. It wasn't worth it and I would never intentionally do it again. I was lucky and never had anything bad happen. I luckily never had hail smashing the airplane, never ended up in an unusual attitude, or anything worse. Don't let anybody talk you into doing it as it isn't worth taking the chance. If you find yourself in that situation, just remember to slow it down and that if the A/P is on to turn the altitude hold off.

 

[OrionFE]

Used to, no wx radar on our P-3's in the 60's, crossing the Atlantic FL250 IFR ran into embedded TW's a couple times, You really get bounced around. Everyone had to be strapped in, rain sounds like machine guns. If there were really bad, a good operator on the surface search radar, APS 125, could pick'em out. Please correct me if I am wrong, there was a rule you could use to fly under them, 1/3 the distance below the frezzing level. Then again we used to fly in frezzing rain also.

Flew through many in P-3's and it was not fun! We (reserves) finally bought and installed Color WX Radar's in our aircraft in the 90's. It was a nice relief!

 

[rustypigeon]

Turn 35 right and see if he still likes flying through thunderstorms....

 

[time builder]

http://www.aopa.org/asf/online_courses/

I've found the thunderstorm course on this site to be very helpful. Most importantly, enlist the help of ATC and other pilots (ie recent PIREPS).

Until you are more comfortable with reading the signs of what you can and can't fly through, I'd follow the lead of others and play it conservative.

 

[Midnight Flyer]

Bryan,

This is a perfect example of why you shouldn't be anywhere near a thunderstorm.

 

[Daytonaflyer]

If they're just little ones, you'll probably survive, but you should never ever fly through one over FL220.
I've flown through a few T-storms in jets. Two of them were at FL400 in a Lear a couple years ago... One right after the other; one of the stupidest things I've ever done!
Got our butts kicked all over the place. 500' up, 500' down, overspeeding, underspeeding, parts of the interior falling from the ceiling of the airplane.
That's what I get for listening to an stupid captain who thinks they know what they're doing. If she wasn't a woman, I would have kicked her ass when we landed.
Don't do it! Tell your boss absolutely not, and if he argues, quit; and then kick HIS ass.

 

[Oh-ryan]

You all are a bunch of pansies. NOAA and the 53rd Wx Recon Squadron do it all the time. They prefer hurricanes though.

 

[icefr8dawg]

I once loaned my nightly ride to another pilot who flew through two storms on his run. He took 1/8 inch of aluminum off my props and destroyed the high end paint job I just did myself. I think the prop paddles were $1500 each at overhaul and he destroyed over $1000 of polyurethane. From the ownership standpoint it just dosn't make sense for the boss to want his plane in heavy ********************.

 

[Lear6T]

Time to get a new boss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[phr8dawg]

I have found the following rules helpful:
1. 10,000 feet tops: no risk,maybe some ice
2. 20,000 feet tops: pass upwind close
3. 20,000+ : pass upwind, a few miles
4. Hail can come out the back too.
5. Below the deck,stay upwind of rain shafts
6. IMC: Have a plan of attack and a solid escape route. Have lots of "happy gas." (extra fuel!)
7. Do not assume a radar" corridor" will be there when you arrive. See rule 6.

I recently vectored myself into a box canyon of cells, experienced full attenuation on the radar, then the whole windshield lit up with Elmo's fire. A few seconds later all the static was sucked off the windshield by a lightning bolt which appeared off our nose. Unreal.

"RUN, Forrest, RUN! "We turned and ran. Never jostled the rubber dog poo.

Does your boss really have weather experience?

Please fly safe