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Prisoners of War are uniformed soldiers from sovereign nations. As an example, spies are not considered POWs under the Geneva Convention. Although they are from sovereign nations, they are not "uniformed soldiers" and have different rights under the Geneva Convention. Terrorists are also not afforded the same rights as POWs as they are not uniformed OR from sovereign nations. Do you and Max see the difference between a Terrorist and a Prisoner of War? You need to be more clear when arguing the point.

By the way, I agree with the Supreme Court Justice writing the desenting opinion regarding the right of terrorists to have legal representation that was recently decided; "that decision WILL result in the death of more Americans"

You are missing the point. I don't believe a terrorist should be afforded any quarter, execute them all for all I care. I have helped in the bombing of a few myself. I see from your profile you've probably been even closer in doing the same.

The point is you need a mechanism to show you aren't the terrorist that the government says you are. Many of the gitmo detainees are hardened criminals and terrorists. Others were just farmers caught in the wrong place and time. And what about my example of a US citizen wrongly designated as an enemy combatant. It isn't far fetched.

As to your point about the death of more Americans. I don't know, maybe? But when did Americans become such pu$$ees regarding their core rights? The Patriots in 1776 said Live Free or Die. It wasn't a slogan, they meant it literally.
Today, people give up those very same rights on the hypothetical outside chance something bad might happen. We are a nation of wimps now, and the "tough" right wingers are leading the way.
 
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Prisoners of War are uniformed soldiers from sovereign nations. As an example, spies are not considered POWs under the Geneva Convention. Although they are from sovereign nations, they are not "uniformed soldiers" and have different rights under the Geneva Convention. Terrorists are also not afforded the same rights as POWs as they are not uniformed OR from sovereign nations. Do you and Max see the difference between a Terrorist and a Prisoner of War? You need to be more clear when arguing the point.

By the way, I agree with the Supreme Court Justice writing the desenting opinion regarding the right of terrorists to have legal representation that was recently decided; "that decision WILL result in the death of more Americans"

I don't know where to begin. Contrary to your belief WE ARE HOLDING CITIZENS FROM SOVEREIGN NATIONS ever heard of Canada or Australia? Ever soviet spy had due process in this country. German spies which were active in the US during WWII were returned to Germany after the war as per the Geneva conventionm, regarding spies.

Many of these "detainees" were taken in the dead of night from their homes and have been siting in Gitmo for over 5 years with no contact and no charges filed against them. Look what people are trying to say to GWB is: "you need to shat or get off the pot."

One prisoner was a 15 year-old Canadian citizen accused of killing an American soldier in Afghanistan. If you read a recent WSJ article there is significant evidence that he may not have actually thrown the grenade. In any event give the fracking kid a trial and throw him in jail forever, if he is guilty. The problem is when you water board someone they will most likely admit to anything and the jury will reject that out of hand. So all you got left is real evidence in the form of witnesses and the likes. Sorry JumpJester I believe in Human Rights.
 
I don't know where to begin. Contrary to your belief WE ARE HOLDING CITIZENS FROM SOVEREIGN NATIONS ever heard of Canada or Australia? Ever soviet spy had due process in this country. German spies which were active in the US during WWII were returned to Germany after the war as per the Geneva conventionm, regarding spies.

Many of these "detainees" were taken in the dead of night from their homes and have been siting in Gitmo for over 5 years with no contact and no charges filed against them. Look what people are trying to say to GWB is: "you need to shat or get off the pot."

One prisoner was a 15 year-old Canadian citizen accused of killing an American soldier in Afghanistan. If you read a recent WSJ article there is significant evidence that he may not have actually thrown the grenade. In any event give the fracking kid a trial and throw him in jail forever, if he is guilty. The problem is when you water board someone they will most likely admit to anything and the jury will reject that out of hand. So all you got left is real evidence in the form of witnesses and the likes. Sorry JumpJester I believe in Human Rights.


Too bad the people you are talking about DON'T believe in human rights.
 
Max

Try to respond with out calling me a redneck again, it's not helping your argument. Sorry Redneck.

Let's say we raise gas prices to $9/gallon as you stated via taxes. I will argue the high MARKET price of gas is already doing what YOU want and driving people to live closer and/or drive smaller vehicles. So it's kinda moot, but we'll argue it anyway.

Soooo overnight the gas price doubles to $9/gallon. Let's say we live in Southern California. Who does this doubling of fuel prices hurt the most? Well you wouldn't raise the tax overnight but you would inform people that over the next 15 years it will happen. Giving them time to make adjustments that what the Europeans did - worked great.

Let's use an example of a guy who makes $30,000 per year working at LAX cleaning the toilets in Terminal 1. Because he wanted a better life for his family, he chose to move to Palmdale, CA, drives a 1995 Toyota Corolla (which gets pretty good gas mileage). He moved to "the Burbs" cause the schools were better and his wife has family who can watch the younglings while he works doubles M-Th so he can have Fridays off with the kids. He can't afford hollywood, he can't afford van nyes, he could afford Santa Clarita, but his wife would have to double her shifts and the extended family can't help with the kids. OVERNIGHT your solution has doubled his fuel price. It's an absolute crushing blow to him. He is not happy. There will always be the naw sayers. The corolla gets about 40 miles to a gallon pretty dooable but when he buys his turbo diesel hybrid he will get about 60-70 miles to a gallon so he can drive pretty much anywhere. Or he can vote to increase mass-transit via new tax initiatives and take the light rail into work. There is always a way people are resourceful!!!

At the same time a movie producer lives in West Hollywood. He walks to the studio, 'cause he can afford it. Hates the traffic on the 405 and won't touch it with his Mercedes SUV or Dodge Viper he owns. He only takes those out on weekends anyway. He supported the tax hike, cause he thinks to big SUVs are destroying the environment. He figures paying the extra taxes is "patriotic" and doesn't mind it. Shoot, he makes so much you could quadruple the taxes and he wouldn't feel it. He's thinkin' of buying an electric Tesla anyway...they are only 100k..... Driving it will make him FEEL great about his contribution.....he generally feels pretty guilty for the money he makes....Your examples are just priceless and make such a good point of how poor you are at problem solving. I'd love to see how you work with a tough gate agent on a quick turn.

I ask you MAX, who is hurt more by these proposed taxes? Do you really think the wealthy will feel it? I propose the poorest of this nation would be the most hurt and their standard of living greatly impacted.
sure they will hurt more with this particular tax but with the other taxes I would impose on the rich they will also pay their fair share to help get our priorities straight.
 
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Too bad the people you are talking about DON'T believe in human rights.

Your right it is too bad......But two wrongs don't make a right my grand pappy always said. And he fought in Korea and WWII. This is AMERICA and we don't act like those fracking pieces of junk.
 
Regulate what? All they can do is oversee more loses, given the state of oil prices. Capitalism is at work here, .....

Who do you think controls capitalism? The markets are controlled by government. And the Federal Reserve controls the government.

Capitalism is not self regulating or free. It is controlled by levels you seem to be completely unaware of and have zero knowledge about.
 
Prisoners of War??? So stupid, it's comical. You obviously have no clue (nor probably care) about the international law of armed conflict, the Geneva Convention, nor the rights of American citizens. You do, however, have an agenda that is not allowed to be clouded by facts and truth.


Why don't you enlighten us!!!! You seem to be a proponent to GWB's treatment of "enemy combatants". Why is the Geneva Convention being shat on by GWB and the likes or is the rest of the world wrong when they quote sections of the law that are being broken by the US?

I think your the fracking moron your post makes no sense but to bolster this response to be correct.

Good luck with that. Draginass has a habit of spewing his diatribes a la talk radio style (no substantial backing) or "agree with me or you're an idiot!":rolleyes:
 
where's that infallibility of capitalism now?


Right here in the US. A free market does not guarantee a job to anyone. Nor should it. The socialist move of our regulated airline sytem is to blame. A true free market would have shed the weak many moons ago, and everyone would be better off. Instead we get marginal carriers, with marginal bussiness plans, that pay marginal wages. Sounds like socialism too me.
 
Frontier is a great airline, employee friendly (by comparison to others) and they produce a great product. I hope it doesn't come to this.

Oh, well there's the problem right there. You can't just have airlines coming in providing friendly service and a great product. It will f up the whole system.
 
Be careful when talking negatively about Southwest, they've been known to get testy when someone talks trash about their airline!

I cringe when I read posts like this started by one of my brothers or sisters and agree with B737 Guy. I wish all SWA guys/gals on this site would turn it down when it comes to other's misfortunes.
If you feel the need to talk about F9's dilemma or CAL's stock price (low blow) do it on our forum.
The few make the many look bad. Please remember these individuals are the exception not the norm.
 

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