United dropping the "crown jewels"

[Correcting]

If United is bailing on Asia routes, then that can't be a good sign.

They are dropping:

SFO - Nagoya
SFO - Taipei
and one of their two ORD - Tokyo flights.

 

[RJAA]

Hardly a surprise. NGO is very weak market, many many records of trial and failure by several carriers. SFO-TPE has two airlines from Taiwan flying already. United does not own the ORD-NRT market either anymore. JAL and ANA and AA flies route. Most of the asian carriers that compete with United have reputable service to attract premium revenue. They also have brand new airplanes. Compare the economics of the B777-300ER with United's B744s that are being parked. It's a twin, but it does the same job with comparable capacity.

 

[D-Bo]

If United is bailing on Asia routes, then that can't be a good sign.

They are dropping:

SFO - Nagoya
SFO - Taipei
and one of their two ORD - Tokyo flights.

We've got ********************ty management that doesn't want to run an airline or do what it takes to make a route profitable but to say these routes are crown jewels is a stretch. These days when our ********************ty management cancels a route the reason is usually because they're robbing Peter o pay Paul to free up planes on other routes that they dirt bags don't have enough planes for. We cancel routes and say it's because they're weak but the real reason is because the a holes didn't plan and need to free up the planes for something else.

 

[dispatchguy]

Dont forget D-Bo, there is the management pocket golden lining plan as well - more airplanes around, higher costs, less $$ for them to line their GD pockets...

 

[Diesel-9]

Crown Jewels? Where is the dictionary?

 

[xjhawk]

I question any business decision of the leaders at United. Seriously, at a time when the most profitable airline has one fleet type and a simplified operation, United created more divisions with TED and comes up with the worst business plan after bankruptcy you must question why upper management is still around.

 

[Jetjockey]

Just remember John Tague ran 4 previous airlines into the ground. Went from helping ATA slide into oblivion, then was hired at UAL. Guess who came with TED? You got it, good on Johnnie boy. Due to TED's great success, JT was promoted. Got to love this industry.

Imagine a pilot interview. "lets see, you crashed airplanes at 4 of your other airlines..........you are management material!"

 

[jtschulte]

Just remember John Tague ran 4 previous airlines into the ground. Went from helping ATA slide into oblivion, then was hired at UAL. Guess who came with TED? You got it, good on Johnnie boy. Due to TED's great success, JT was promoted. Got to love this industry.

Imagine a pilot interview. "lets see, you crashed airplanes at 4 of your other airlines..........you are management material!"

I believe Joe Kolshack--new UAL SVP of OPS (former DAL SVP of OPS)--had a similar "stellar" record at DAL--how can these morons continue to be recycled through the airline industry?!?

 

[poydras]

still see 2-3 B744 in HKG daily.......
best of luck tou the UAL guys.

 

[IAHERJ]

I think there is a difference between pulling out of a market(not flying money losing routes while oil is high) and selling off the route authority for these routes. When we see UAL start to sell off Pacific route authority to other carriers(as if any can afford to buy them right now) then we can start to make statements about UAL selling off valuable assets, ie "crown Jewels".

IAHERJ

 

[ACL65PILOT]

What is with you guys pulling out of FLL and PBI?

 

[vetteracer]

I believe Joe Kolshack--new UAL SVP of OPS (former DAL SVP of OPS)--had a similar "stellar" record at DAL--how can these morons continue to be recycled through the airline industry?!?

Any CEO, COO, CFO, etc worth their weight are at companies that are much easier to operate, are more profitable, and have little to no labor issues. Running a company, be it a pharmaceutical, bottled soft drinks, hotels, airlines, etc have the same general operating principles. I bet any of the guys at United would love to be the CEO of Coke or Phizer!

It's sad to see this happen. Most of these airlines are like broken down taxi cabs just getting passed from one tenant to the next. They drive it around and make some money then step down and let the next guy do the same.

 

[Fox-Tree]

Is there some kind of requirement to service a route regularly in order to maintain the route authority or can you just hold it but not use it?

 

[Colonel Savage]

Is there some kind of requirement to service a route regularly in order to maintain the route authority or can you just hold it but not use it?

NWA dropped DTW-PEK in 1996 and resumed it 10 years later without further approval, so if they do expire, it takes a long time.

Route authority can also be leased to another airline.

C'mon, man! You drive that great big MD-11 over there and you don't know this stuff? I'm just an old narrow body domestic driver!

 

[Peanut gallery]

Now here is the truth

Just remember John Tague ran 4 previous airlines into the ground. Went from helping ATA slide into oblivion, then was hired at UAL. Guess who came with TED? You got it, good on Johnnie boy. Due to TED's great success, JT was promoted. Got to love this industry.

Imagine a pilot interview. "lets see, you crashed airplanes at 4 of your other airlines..........you are management material!"

But we need to pay the extra high bonus to get these clowns, because they could go elsewhere and make that coin.

 

[bige2000]

UAL will fail because of all the morons that work on the ground

 

[bige2000]

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[alpine1989]

Just remember John Tague ran 4 previous airlines into the ground. Went from helping ATA slide into oblivion, then was hired at UAL. Guess who came with TED? You got it, good on Johnnie boy. Due to TED's great success, JT was promoted. Got to love this industry.

Don't forget his daddy ran Midway 1 into the ground.

 

[Fox-Tree]

C'mon, man! You drive that great big MD-11 over there and you don't know this stuff? I'm just an old narrow body domestic driver!

:nuts: I just fire up ma 'puter an look at ma calendar. Skeds puts these blue lines over the days they want me to fly. I double click on them and you know whut? There's a trip under there and I fly where it tells me. All the rest is PFM to me.

 

[whatitdoing?]

Is there some kind of requirement to service a route regularly in order to maintain the route authority or can you just hold it but not use it?

This is a really good quesiton.....anyone know? If UAL loses these routes, it's a matter of timeuke:

 

[eatme]

:nuts: I just fire up ma 'puter an look at ma calendar. Skeds puts these blue lines over the days they want me to fly. I double click on them and you know whut? There's a trip under there and I fly where it tells me. All the rest is PFM to me.

Your name isn't mdculpepper.org, is it

 

[AC560]

All these complaints about UA management. The obvious solution is an employee owned and run company, how could that ever fail.......

 

[Fox-Tree]

Your name isn't mdculpepper.org, is it

That's quite a name. No last name, just .org - interesting.

No. That ain't me. Wrong airplane in my avatar and I can't say I've ever made such a blatantly pathetic cry for attention. I couldn't even have thought of what that guy did. UFB!!!

 

[ElecJet]

Originally Posted by Fox-Tree
Is there some kind of requirement to service a route regularly in order to maintain the route authority or can you just hold it but not use it?

I'm no lawyer and some will argue that I'm an idiot, so take this for what it's worth. There are ways of not utilizing yet keeping the routes in your dresser drawer for the appropriate time to wear. Ie, letting an alliance partner run them for a specified time period before loosing the right to fly it.

 

[regionaltard]

.... you must question why upper management is still around.

Because their allotted time at the trough isn't up yet. C'mon, ask me a hard one now...

 

[contrail67]

Originally Posted by Fox-Tree
Is there some kind of requirement to service a route regularly in order to maintain the route authority or can you just hold it but not use it?

I'm no lawyer and some will argue that I'm an idiot, so take this for what it's worth. There are ways of not utilizing yet keeping the routes in your dresser drawer for the appropriate time to wear. Ie, letting an alliance partner run them for a specified time period before loosing the right to fly it.

Exactly....and also if there is going to be a merger with CAL in the end...then your back in the market. There are still flights on USAir through CLT or PHL to FLL. Did not hear, but did CAL pull out of FLL?...that is more of an important question...I had not heard they did.