Total Number of Furloughs This Round So Far

[coogebeachhotel]

What are the total numbers so far this round? September 11 was bad but this one may be even worse

 

[Lear70]

I believe we're up to 825 including Aloha, Maxjet, EOS, ATA, Skybus, etc (not including the pilots ATA already had out).

This is going to be MUCH worse than 9/11, because it's likely to last a lot longer. Capacity needed to come down, and we all knew it would be painful...

 

[PreContact]

United has announced 950

 

[jmreii]

don't know but it is growing and it is very depressing

 

[Orionpilot]

And lets not forget 300 from the new and improved Useless Airways (that's 175 from the West - 10%, and 125 from the east - 4%).

One of the 175

 

[Propsync]

OK:

Shutdowns: 825 (number seems low)
United: 950
Useless: 300
Midwest: 150
Spirit: 45
USA 3000: 30
Sun Country: ?
AA: 2000 still out
DHL Co.: ?
= 4300


BTW- Heard AA is cutting another 1000. I have the most unreputable source and I'm not trying to start anything. Haven't seen anything to support so it seems untrue.

 

[Lear70]

OK:

Shutdowns: 825 (number seems low)

Yeah, I'm being optimistic. I'm thinking it SHOULD be closer to 1,100 or so, but those are the only numbers I've heard.

United: 950
Useless: 300
Midwest: 150
Spirit: 45

I'm betting you can triple that with Spirit.

USA 3000: 30
Sun Country: ?
AA: 2000 still out

Haven't really been counting them since it's been so long and most of them found other flying jobs or got out of the business.

DHL Co.: ?

Hearing about 350 from them.

Also AAI between 75-200,
Frontier: 50-100 with the parking of aircraft announced yesterday and 17% reduction in ASM's.

BTW- Heard AA is cutting another 1000. I have the most unreputable source and I'm not trying to start anything. Haven't seen anything to support so it seems untrue.

I heard the exact same thing yesterday from a furloughed AA guy flying for Jetride (fractional deal out of Rogers, AR on a LR 45).

Internal announcement made yesterday about parking between 15-17% of the domestic fleet, at least 1,000 pilots.

If it's true, that will bring the total pilots on the street by the beginning of 2009 to over 4,000. From the majors alone. Not to mention the Mesa pilots who might be jobless soon and the pilots at one of the NWA/DAL affiliates that will likely get tossed by the wayside in the merger (don't need 6 airlink operators).

How do you get 5,000 pilots back to work when the projected ASM growth is flat for a couple years, then grows only IF fuel comes back down or fares can come up enough and bring more people back to flying?

Not to mention age 65 (which I was an advocate of) keeping 50% of those who MIGHT have retired in the cockpits another 3-5 years.

If you're over 50 and get furloughed, you might as well hang the domestic airline hopes on a hook and go overseas IMMEDIATELY (Emirates would be a good start) or look for a charter job to get into corporate flying later... Odds of you getting back into the airlines before 65, especially making CA, are slim.

What a mess of a career. *sigh*

 

[Jurasicpilot]

AA doesn't have any hard numbers yet. Allied was approached by management a couple of weeks ago with the news and projections. The 900-1100 range would be realistic with fleet projections.

The real problem is that most of these guys have already been furloughed and took some real financial hits. Now, once they have barely stumbled to their feet they are about to get a knockout blow (financially).

 

[Helmsmen]

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[Stuka Luva]

United has announced 950

United is furloughing 1450...to get 950 active. The total number remember is 1450

 

[JumpJetter]

uugghhh....this thread makes me want to barf. Depressing.

Good luck to all...been there twice.....

 

[Fubijaakr]

Heard from a well placed source that FedEx is going to furlough 400-450 as well.

 

[Lear70]

Heard from a well placed source that FedEx is going to furlough 400-450 as well.

I don't see how, with all the increase in Asia flying...

Never say never, though.

 

[JumpJetter]

Heard from a well placed source that FedEx is going to furlough 400-450 as well.

WOW. They had a lot of flight engineers who were over 60 bid back to captain didn't they.

Any other 2001 fuloughees remember when FedEx had a "no-hire" other airline furloughees policy post 9/11? I was like wearing a big scarlet "F" on your resume.

 

[FLYLOW22]

And lets not forget 300 from the new and improved Useless Airways (that's 175 from the West - 10%, and 125 from the east - 4%).

One of the 175

The ones recently hired at US shouldn't count. Dozens of pilots warned them not to go there.

Stupid doesn't count.