Total Number of Furloughs This Round So Far

[coogebeachhotel]

What are the total numbers so far this round? September 11 was bad but this one may be even worse

 

[Lear70]

I believe we're up to 825 including Aloha, Maxjet, EOS, ATA, Skybus, etc (not including the pilots ATA already had out).

This is going to be MUCH worse than 9/11, because it's likely to last a lot longer. Capacity needed to come down, and we all knew it would be painful...

 

[PreContact]

United has announced 950

 

[jmreii]

don't know but it is growing and it is very depressing

 

[Orionpilot]

And lets not forget 300 from the new and improved Useless Airways (that's 175 from the West - 10%, and 125 from the east - 4%).

One of the 175

 

[Propsync]

OK:

Shutdowns: 825 (number seems low)
United: 950
Useless: 300
Midwest: 150
Spirit: 45
USA 3000: 30
Sun Country: ?
AA: 2000 still out
DHL Co.: ?
= 4300


BTW- Heard AA is cutting another 1000. I have the most unreputable source and I'm not trying to start anything. Haven't seen anything to support so it seems untrue.

 

[Lear70]

OK:

Shutdowns: 825 (number seems low)

Yeah, I'm being optimistic. I'm thinking it SHOULD be closer to 1,100 or so, but those are the only numbers I've heard.

United: 950
Useless: 300
Midwest: 150
Spirit: 45

I'm betting you can triple that with Spirit.

USA 3000: 30
Sun Country: ?
AA: 2000 still out

Haven't really been counting them since it's been so long and most of them found other flying jobs or got out of the business.

DHL Co.: ?

Hearing about 350 from them.

Also AAI between 75-200,
Frontier: 50-100 with the parking of aircraft announced yesterday and 17% reduction in ASM's.

BTW- Heard AA is cutting another 1000. I have the most unreputable source and I'm not trying to start anything. Haven't seen anything to support so it seems untrue.

I heard the exact same thing yesterday from a furloughed AA guy flying for Jetride (fractional deal out of Rogers, AR on a LR 45).

Internal announcement made yesterday about parking between 15-17% of the domestic fleet, at least 1,000 pilots.

If it's true, that will bring the total pilots on the street by the beginning of 2009 to over 4,000. From the majors alone. Not to mention the Mesa pilots who might be jobless soon and the pilots at one of the NWA/DAL affiliates that will likely get tossed by the wayside in the merger (don't need 6 airlink operators).

How do you get 5,000 pilots back to work when the projected ASM growth is flat for a couple years, then grows only IF fuel comes back down or fares can come up enough and bring more people back to flying?

Not to mention age 65 (which I was an advocate of) keeping 50% of those who MIGHT have retired in the cockpits another 3-5 years.

If you're over 50 and get furloughed, you might as well hang the domestic airline hopes on a hook and go overseas IMMEDIATELY (Emirates would be a good start) or look for a charter job to get into corporate flying later... Odds of you getting back into the airlines before 65, especially making CA, are slim.

What a mess of a career. *sigh*

 

[Jurasicpilot]

AA doesn't have any hard numbers yet. Allied was approached by management a couple of weeks ago with the news and projections. The 900-1100 range would be realistic with fleet projections.

The real problem is that most of these guys have already been furloughed and took some real financial hits. Now, once they have barely stumbled to their feet they are about to get a knockout blow (financially).

 

[Helmsmen]

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[Stuka Luva]

United has announced 950

United is furloughing 1450...to get 950 active. The total number remember is 1450

 

[JumpJetter]

uugghhh....this thread makes me want to barf. Depressing.

Good luck to all...been there twice.....

 

[Fubijaakr]

Heard from a well placed source that FedEx is going to furlough 400-450 as well.

 

[Lear70]

Heard from a well placed source that FedEx is going to furlough 400-450 as well.

I don't see how, with all the increase in Asia flying...

Never say never, though.

 

[JumpJetter]

Heard from a well placed source that FedEx is going to furlough 400-450 as well.

WOW. They had a lot of flight engineers who were over 60 bid back to captain didn't they.

Any other 2001 fuloughees remember when FedEx had a "no-hire" other airline furloughees policy post 9/11? I was like wearing a big scarlet "F" on your resume.

 

[FLYLOW22]

And lets not forget 300 from the new and improved Useless Airways (that's 175 from the West - 10%, and 125 from the east - 4%).

One of the 175

The ones recently hired at US shouldn't count. Dozens of pilots warned them not to go there.

Stupid doesn't count.

 

[Fubijaakr]

I think it had something to do with airplane retirements/realignments, but don't take that as gospel.

 

[stratus72]

Frontier is looking at about a 17% cut in pilots...give or take. That's around 126 of us.

 

[Cardinal]

The ones recently hired at US shouldn't count. Dozens of pilots warned them not to go there.

Stupid doesn't count.

Then by your rikockulous standard we can't count the pilots being furloughed from AA, UA, F9, ME, SX, AQ, et al, because all have been struggling financially for some time, including during a recent hiring/recall phase. Go throw sand in somebody else's playground.


<-- Stupid Pilot and Imminent Furloughee.

 

[Whine Lover]

"rickockulous" ....NOW THAT is a COOL WORD.

ATA Furlough/Decimation was about 1100 +/- after all was said and done...

Have A Nice Day And get A CLUE ( Secretary's and Entry Level Home Depot Employees make more, and are more valued than,YOU.... " The Airline Pilot" ),

YKMKR

 

[ultrarunner]

I'm thinking when the dust settles, we're looking at 10 thousand or so on the street. No one seems to have mentioned a liquidation, and I think that is inevitable.

Heck, there are 13 THOUSAND numbers alone just between UAL and USAir (AWA).

These little dribbles we're seeing now is nothing. I don't mean to rain on the parade, but in my opinion, I'm being realistic.

 

[FurloughedAgain]

That's not nice Flylow. I remember being pretty desperate when you and I hit the street post 9/11. I seem to remember taking several trips to Syracuse for a little pipe dream a certain Citation Captain turned me on to.

 

[Oh-ryan]

I'm waiting for Kit Darby to weigh in.

 

[JumpJetter]

I'm waiting for Kit Darby to weigh in.

Kit got furloughed

 

[skyaddict]

Kit will say it's all the more reason to fork over $180 for the privilege of attending a job fair so he can finance a new Porsche.

 

[FLYLOW22]

That's not nice Flylow. I remember being pretty desperate when you and I hit the street post 9/11. I seem to remember taking several trips to Syracuse for a little pipe dream a certain Citation Captain turned me on to.

All due respect, we were looking for a place to hide out for a few years (at the time). These guys were looking to make a career at the "New US".

A carrier with severe revenue/cost/labor issues not resolved since we were furloughed... 6 years prior.

Pilots just ignore the past too much. It's like a re-run.. over and over with a worse ending each time.

 

[Hpilot]

All due respect, we were looking for a place to hide out for a few years (at the time). These guys were looking to make a career at the "New US".

A carrier with severe revenue/cost/labor issues not resolved since we were furloughed... 6 years prior.

Pilots just ignore the past too much. It's like a re-run.. over and over with a worse ending each time.

Dude, are you still licking the sweat off some rich dudes balls over there at NetJerks? Didn't anybody ever tell you corporate is a time builder for the majors? Since the majors are disapearing why step backwards when you can jump ahead and out of aviation. Or maybe you can't. Well sorry I can't wait for a pathetic reply, I'll probably glance at the board again in a couple months. If some guy sticks his head in the cockpit and says, "where's my coffee bitch!" that's meimp: Adios loser.

 

[Ex737Driver]

CAL is wanting to furlough 250-300. We'll see what it ends up being once the total number of COAL's and early outs are counted.

 

[ICAO]

More tooo come..

This is just the start..its get better as we gooooo.

 

[waka]

Dude, are you still licking the sweat off some rich dudes balls over there at NetJerks? Didn't anybody ever tell you corporate is a time builder for the majors? Since the majors are disapearing why step backwards when you can jump ahead and out of aviation. Or maybe you can't.

Hey Junior,
A) NJ is not corporate. B) Today's NetJets is hardly a stepping stone to the airlines and going from a major to NJ is most certainly not going backwards. Tell that to all of the major furloughees trying to beat down the door....some of whom are idiots like you that were slamming them.

What's your problem? Did you get turned down at NetJets? If not, don't apply because they would weed you out because of your attitude and misplaced arrogance.

Well sorry I can't wait for a pathetic reply, I'll probably glance at the board again in a couple months. If some guy sticks his head in the cockpit and says, "where's my coffee bitch!" that's meimp: Adios loser.

If you ever become an owner and say that to a NJ crew with any seriousness, chances are that you wouldn't make it to your destination and management would side with the crew. They have kicked jerk owners out of the program before.....you wouldn't be the first.

Grow up.

 

[FLYLOW22]

Dude, are you still licking the sweat off some rich dudes balls over there at NetJets? Didn't anybody ever tell you corporate is a time builder for the majors? Since the majors are disapearing why step backwards when you can jump ahead and out of aviation. Or maybe you can't. Well sorry I can't wait for a pathetic reply, I'll probably glance at the board again in a couple months. If some guy sticks his head in the cockpit and says, "where's my coffee bitch!" that's meimp: Adios loser.

With market research like that, all I can say to you is "good luck" in your new career outside of aviation. Your gonna need it. Minimum net worth to participate in NetJets is 25 million.

The world is round too buddy.

P.S. Our Owners don't speak to us like airline passengers. They are happy.