NWA Guys Disp to ANC? Anything Similar @ DL?

[Voice Of Reason]

Voice:

Sorry. I overlooked your question.

Delta has been posting position vacancies for new 777's and 737's, but has not been backfilling the MD88 and 757's. Some categories are very short right now and are not being filled. A 767ER or MD88 pilot can fly and earn as much as they want right now due to the shortages.

There is a debate whether the next 777 entitlement bid will include some back filling.

There has been no displacements to speak of. They moved 767-400 flying from one base to ATL, but it came with a big Captain AE so there was a lot of upward movement on that one.

Thanks for your mature answers to my questions...
SO when they've "talked of furloughs" will they (if they) happen AFTER an agreement...is the thing w/ NW disp just fodder for getting the SLI done quick, or do you think they are really in jeopardy pre- or post agreement?

 

[Flounder42]

Where are the surplus NWA pilots coming from? Are you hearing that there will be additional DC-9s getting parked?

 

[Helos2Galaxy]

Spoke w/ a chief pilot. The Aug AE will have 777s in NYC and ATL w/backfilling.

 

[Superpilot92]

Where are the surplus NWA pilots coming from? Are you hearing that there will be additional DC-9s getting parked?

there are no additional 9 parkings than were already planned for. In fact we are keeping 3 more than we initially said. now keeping 61 instead of 58

 

[Flounder42]

Fins: I'm a bit confused, if there are no additional DC-9s getting parked, where are you hearing about NWA surplus pilots? Where are they coming from?

 

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Thanks for your mature answers to my questions...
SO when they've "talked of furloughs" will they (if they) happen AFTER an agreement...is the thing w/ NW disp just fodder for getting the SLI done quick, or do you think they are really in jeopardy pre- or post agreement?

Post agreement. But maybe prior to SLI (that wasn't clear). But I'm not sure which credible source to believe. Management may have been trying to twist arms on the MEC level to get this deal done.

Crew resources and the Chiefs have no reason to tell the Delta guys we're hiring, unless the plan is to hire pilots this fall. I would guess that they are not fully briefed on the avdanced planning information given to both of our MEC's.

My take is NWA is going to furlough. If we have an SLI then some Delta guys will be let go also.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

Fins: I'm a bit confused, if there are no additional DC-9s getting parked, where are you hearing about NWA surplus pilots? Where are they coming from?

My buddies there said a bunch of guys from the 9's were on the displacement list to ANC where there were an access of seemingly unneeded (there) people "sent" for Oct

 

[Voice Of Reason]

Post agreement. But maybe prior to SLI (that wasn't clear). But I'm not sure which credible source to believe. Management may have been trying to twist arms on the MEC level to get this deal done.

Crew resources and the Chiefs have no reason to tell the Delta guys we're hiring, unless the plan is to hire pilots this fall. I would guess that they are not fully briefed on the avdanced planning information given to both of our MEC's.

My take is NWA is going to furlough. If we have an SLI then some Delta guys will be let go also.

I wonder what the amts/#s being considered are, esp since DL kept having classes AFTER NW stopped?

 

[~~~^~~~]

Who knows? They'd be smart to keep this under wraps until the SLI is done. Blinder's on.

Harder to lead the horse off the cliff if the horse sees where he's going.

What will be really weird is if Delta's hiring as flowbacks go to Compass. Then if MidWest pilots sue for integration we could just have a good ol' time.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

Who knows? They'd be smart to keep this under wraps until the SLI is done. Blinder's on.

Harder to lead the horse off the cliff if the horse sees where he's going.

That's what I was talking about sweeping them under the rug and being so quiet about this...I think some people need to speak up for them and talk LOUDLY about it, and what is going to be done to protect their jobs. There is NO reason there should be layoffs when there could easily be buyouts...or better yet just give all those top people (with top pay of the pay scale wages) their equity stake NOW so they'll leave...it's obvious to everyone in aviation that is the only reason they decided to stick around...

 

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Voice:

Well, there is another form of job protection called scope. AirLink is growing by 55% this year. That's NWA DC9 flying going out the door.

Not that Delta has any room to brag, but their over-outsourcing has reached a natural limit. The beach head is on the NWA property now.

This is a joint agreement. Seems like we should have jointly agreed to stop replacing our pilots. It will be interesting to read section 1.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

Do the probation guys (like Superpilot) even GET a vote? Is the MEC looking out for them at ALL...(ie: doing anything to stop the furloughs, or at least change things so they keep longevity while furloughed and don't have to come back to the pitiful wages they were getting paid, sacrificing their needs just to get on with the company)? I don't know how my buddies do it, but they really believed NW was going to do well by them and were getting in at the right time.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

Voice:

Well, there is another form of job protection called scope. AirLink is growing by 55% this year. That's NWA DC9 flying going out the door.

Not that Delta has any room to brag, but their over-outsourcing has reached a natural limit. The beach head is on the NWA property now.

This is a joint agreement. Seems like we should have jointly agreed to stop replacing our pilots. It will be interesting to read section 1.

Keep us here on the outside updated...am following this with great interest...seems like nowhere is a safe prospect anymore.

How does the agreement with Airlink work as far as flowdown? (IS there one?)...What kind of wage would flowdown guys make (not less than 1st year pay at the majors I hope)... DO they go to Captain slots or FOs...how would seniority work? Wouldn't the cost of all of that be counterintuitive to saving $$$, so IS there even going to be such a scenario? I hope so if the guys NEED it, but hope they aren't letting the regionals takeover all the mainline flying... it has been diluted enough as it is.

Here's a totally random stream of consciousness thought for down the road...since you guys are paid by PLANE then year, what happens when a singular great new (say 737 sized) Prius of aircraft comes out and the airlines decide to go to all or mostly those... do wages just drop across the board for everyone if all the big guzzlers are discarded?

 

[propdog]

How does the agreement with Airlink work as far as flowdown? (IS there one?)...What kind of wage would flowdown guys make (not less than 1st year pay at the majors I hope)... DO they go to Captain slots or FOs...how would seniority work?

I think you flow down to the top of their list---that is, as Captains. First year CA pay at Compass is $61/hr.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

I think you flow down to the top of their list---that is, as Captains. First year CA pay at Compass is $61/hr.

Not bad considering where they were at 1st year...BUT are there limits of how many can flow down or how many can be Captains? Are they then stuck at compass for a couple of years if they elect to flowdown?