NWA Guys Disp to ANC? Anything Similar @ DL?

[dtfl]

Post agreement. But maybe prior to SLI (that wasn't clear). But I'm not sure which credible source to believe. Management may have been trying to twist arms on the MEC level to get this deal done.

Crew resources and the Chiefs have no reason to tell the Delta guys we're hiring, unless the plan is to hire pilots this fall. I would guess that they are not fully briefed on the avdanced planning information given to both of our MEC's.

My take is NWA is going to furlough. If we have an SLI then some Delta guys will be let go also.

Maybe the heat is getting to me, but why would we furlough if we combined and created a more profitable airline, yet hire if we stand alone???

Also..leaving the 88 and 75/76 undermanned with no backfills - writing on the wall? Just a question. Talk amongst yourselves.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

First,
Talked to a few peeps today and they are now planning to backfill on the AE. A decent amount from what it looks like.

Two, DAL will or will not hire dependent on the needs of DAL. Even if we have and SLI that is ratified tomorrow, it will take a few years to get a joint operating certificate. Because of this the NWA and DAL pilot groups will have to deal with what each part of the airline does until that day. The only way that this would not happen is if it was agreed to in the SLI. Those details will worked out in the coming weeks. DAL plans to hire this fall for those LR's as of today that has not changed.

Three, FIN I have read what you say, an I agree. The bottom of both lists will have to take it in the teeth to get this SLI done. Plain and simple. The are stating no layoffs but you never know. It could all be smoke and mirrors. Time will tell.

 

[General Lee]

What is going on at NW with all those involuntary displacements to ANC (Oct) of the bottom people? I thought you were getting rid of some of the 747s there? Why SO many sent there now? Is the training dept there staffed enough to train so many people at once? Is there similar shuffling at DL going on now? Why couldn't they leave people where they were until after the merger or agreement/seniority is finalized????
I thought they were saying that no one would get bumped out of their bases at NW/DL? Is this a preemptive thing to get it done BEFORE the merger, or just a delay tactic until deciding to furlough those poor guys? Didn't DL keep hiring new guys after NW did? What about those lower seniority guys?
Best of luck to everyone...hope your NW MEC is working hard to protect your jobs AND restore your bases. Doesn't sound like those displaced guys are even being given info about their fates... Hopefully this deal will be as good as they are making it sound publicly...it would be very wrong to furlough some some while claiming how this merger will create the strongest airline.

PS-- Where has Occam been hiding? He usually has good scoop... I need to know there is hope of going to at least one good place soon... Flops is killing my soul...

Even Richard Anderson said it would take 6-12 months AFTER the deal is completed to ever mix fleets or people. The FAA takes that long to create a single certificate. So, if the deal is completed at the end of this year, expect another year before anyone could move around.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Voice Of Reason]

Even Richard Anderson said it would take 6-12 months AFTER the deal is completed to ever mix fleets or people. The FAA takes that long to create a single certificate. So, if the deal is completed at the end of this year, expect another year before anyone could move around.


Bye Bye--General Lee

What does that have to do with my post you quoted asking why they displaced all those guys to ANC?

 

[General Lee]

What does that have to do with my post you quoted asking why they displaced all those guys to ANC?

I thought you were asking if any of those guys could stay in the current base and wait until the merger is complete, instead of going to ANC. My response is NO, they will go to ANC, because it will take awhile to mix personel with fleets.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[ACL65PILOT]

And why we will hire or furlough separately.

 

[Redmeat]

Then if MidWest pilots sue for integration we could just have a good ol' time.

It's not if...it's when.

The playbook for all this was written 18 months ago and management is just going down the list.

You heard it here first:

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?p=1431608#post1431608

 

[ACL65PILOT]

They will probably get it after we merge. If I recall correctly is it not, more than 30 or 40% ownership and we must merge lists. Is that not the ALPA By laws?

Correct me if I am wrong I do not have them on me.

 

[Superpilot92]

Here i go with Factual info again, sorry guys!! I know that has no place on FI

"ALOT" of people did not get displaced. A number of the people displaced to ANC were already SO's just at the MSP base in fact only 24 people got bumped from a different seat to the panel that werent already on the panel prior to the APA. It appears that alot of this has to do with the fact that some A320 and DC9 pilots in MSP were getting bumped out of MSP so they had their cards set up to if they got bumped from their current seat out of MSP they would get bumped to whatever seat allowed them to stay in MSP, thus the MSP SO positions, which bumped the current MSP SOs to ANC. overall its a small number of actual displacements to the panel. In fact there were some people displaced from the DC9 to the A320. before some of you DAL guys go get bent out of shape please get the facts before speculating, there is enough of that going on in the oil markets.

 

[General Lee]

What does that have to do with my post you quoted asking why they displaced all those guys to ANC?

Hey, what kind of plane do you fly at FLOPS? Do you enjoy it? Honest questions.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Voice Of Reason]

. A number of the people displaced to ANC were already SO's just at the MSP base in fact only 24 people got bumped from a different seat to the panel that werent already on the panel prior to the APA.

What aircrafts/bases were they bumped from?

 

[Superpilot92]

What aircrafts/bases were they bumped from?

A320 DTW and DC9 MEM/DTW

 

[Voice Of Reason]

A320 DTW and DC9 MEM/DTW

So, if they actually have to end up going to ANC, is the company going to get them there and pay to put them up until they can get elsewhere, or are they going to have to nonrev and pay for hotels during their involuntary disp of that excessive distance...geographically like another country, though not?

 

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Voice: Why the bold all the time?

 

[~~~^~~~]

It's not if...it's when.

The playbook for all this was written 18 months ago and management is just going down the list.

You heard it here first:

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?p=1431608#post1431608

Remeat, interesting. But they may have decided that with oil where it is that a better plan is to shut it down and transfer the flying to E175's and CR9's that are cheaper to operate at AirLink. The threat from AirTran is gone, for now.