NWA Guys Disp to ANC? Anything Similar @ DL?

[Voice Of Reason]

What is going on at NW with all those involuntary displacements to ANC (Oct) of the bottom people? I thought you were getting rid of some of the 747s there? Why SO many sent there now? Is the training dept there staffed enough to train so many people at once? Is there similar shuffling at DL going on now? Why couldn't they leave people where they were until after the merger or agreement/seniority is finalized????
I thought they were saying that no one would get bumped out of their bases at NW/DL? Is this a preemptive thing to get it done BEFORE the merger, or just a delay tactic until deciding to furlough those poor guys? Didn't DL keep hiring new guys after NW did? What about those lower seniority guys?
Best of luck to everyone...hope your NW MEC is working hard to protect your jobs AND restore your bases. Doesn't sound like those displaced guys are even being given info about their fates... Hopefully this deal will be as good as they are making it sound publicly...it would be very wrong to furlough some some while claiming how this merger will create the strongest airline.

PS-- Where has Occam been hiding? He usually has good scoop... I need to know there is hope of going to at least one good place soon... Flops is killing my soul...

 

[Voice Of Reason]

::::crickets::::

...and the sound of the broom pushing this group of guys under the rug so they're forgotten? These guys left other jobs because they believed in these airlines and took a chance...how sad.

 

[Superpilot92]

no you are just stirring the pot and people arent biting

 

[Voice Of Reason]

no you are just stirring the pot and people arent biting

How am I stirring the pot????
Don't YOU wonder why you're being displaced to Anchorage before any agreement is even reached? Don't you wonder why they displaced you, some buddies of mine who went there, and all those other people while claiming they are reducing flying there?
How is it stirring the pot to ask what has not been answered...WHAT is your MEC telling YOU GUYS about why you've been randomly sent off to ANC?
I haven't heard ANYTHING about the displaced guy's fate...

 

[Voice Of Reason]

...AND as I asked...I haven't heard anything about if these similar kinds of movements pre-agreement are going on at DL? Anyone care to answer? Not stirring the pot...asking what hasn't been discussed... My buddies that went to NW have not been told anything about ANC...

 

[~~~^~~~]

According to my source, the DAL and MEC were briefed on furloughs this fall.

Without the merger official sources are saying Delta hires 125 to 140 this fall.

Sounds like NWA is stacking the list rather than make a furlough announcement prior to SLI. The SLI will get even messier if folks know that a few numbers mean the difference between having a job and not.

Truthfully, I don't know what to believe.

 

[Superpilot92]

How am I stirring the pot????
Don't YOU wonder why you're being displaced to Anchorage before any agreement is even reached? Don't you wonder why they displaced you, some buddies of mine who went there, and all those other people while claiming they are reducing flying there?
How is it stirring the pot to ask what has not been answered...WHAT is your MEC telling YOU GUYS about why you've been randomly sent off to ANC?
I haven't heard ANYTHING about the displaced guy's fate...

First I am not getting displaced. Secondly i dont know what the thought patterns are about moving people to the panel. I suspect the reason is that since the MSP 747-200 base is being reduced the senior guys on the panel might be bidding off of it since they cant stay in MSP thus needing more people being displaced to the panel. We are also still having retirements every month so i am sure even if they thought we were slightly overstaffed they dont want to furlough a small number of people when we are losing some at the same time. Also after the merger and some of the "gummers" figure out the equity HR suspects they will punch out. We'll See. Its not to sweep anyone under the rug, which is why i said you were stirring the pot.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

According to my source, the DAL and MEC were briefed on furloughs this fall.

Without the merger official sources are saying Delta hires 125 to 140 this fall.

Sounds like NWA is stacking the list rather than make a furlough announcement prior to SLI. The SLI will get even messier if folks know that a few numbers mean the difference between having a job and not.

Truthfully, I don't know what to believe.

What a mess...why would they have to furlough IF there IS a merger, and DL would hire if there is NOT? I thought there was all this talk about if they merged, needing MORE pilots due to DL's work rules?

 

[Voice Of Reason]

First I am not getting displaced.

how is that possible if you are a new hire at NWA this year?

 

[Superpilot92]

What a mess...why would they have to furlough IF there IS a merger, and DL would hire if there is NOT? I thought there was all this talk about if they merged, needing MORE pilots due to DL's work rules?

thats right, which is why i dont know why people are tossing furlough fear grenades .

 

[~~~^~~~]

What a mess...why would they have to furlough IF there IS a merger, and DL would hire if there is NOT? I thought there was all this talk about if they merged, needing MORE pilots due to DL's work rules?

NWA would need more pilots than they would need otherwise and Delta's need to hire would be remedied by absorbing the surplus NWA guys.

Everyone gets all mad when I post the demographic data and load factors, but Delta's plans seem to fit with the numbers I posted.

The plan as best I see it:

• Move NWA's big airplanes to Delta's big bases.
• Move Delta's smaller airplanes to NWA's bases that have less market demand
• Backfill DC9's, a few MD88's and even a couple 757's with excess RJ capacity and new RJ capacity being brought on line.
• Dump the whales as 777's are available to replace them.

Without the merger, NWA has too many big, underutilized airplanes and pilots. Without the merger Delta has to come up with cash to buy big airplanes. Merger allows for optimization and keeps more NWA pilots employed.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

Its not to sweep anyone under the rug, which is why i said you were stirring the pot.

Wrong...
my reference to "sweeping under the rug" is regarding the silence about these people, and the odd displacements. You are confusing "sweeping under the rug" for the different, but often used here "throwing under the bus," which was not my point.

STILL no one has answered whether similar displacements are going on right now at DL????? Are they or aren't they? Simple question.

 

[Superpilot92]

how is that possible if you are a new hire at NWA this year?

There were less than 30 people i think that got displaced to the panel on this bid which should fully staff the position from here on out. Most of the displacements were people getting bumped from Block holder to Reserve throughout the list which is considered a displacement here at NWA because its a position difference. There were some awards on the bid also it wasnt all displacements. In fact as of right now i can still hold the airbus and i definitely did not get displaced.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Voice:

Sorry. I overlooked your question.

Delta has been posting position vacancies for new 777's and 737's, but has not been backfilling the MD88 and 757's. Some categories are very short right now and are not being filled. A 767ER or MD88 pilot can fly and earn as much as they want right now due to the shortages.

There is a debate whether the next 777 entitlement bid will include some back filling.

There has been no displacements to speak of. They moved 767-400 flying from one base to ATL, but it came with a big Captain AE so there was a lot of upward movement on that one.

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Superpilot's glass is half full because he has my beer in it.

 

[Superpilot92]

NWA would need more pilots than they would need otherwise and Delta's need to hire would be remedied by absorbing the surplus NWA guys.

Everyone gets all mad when I post the demographic data and load factors, but Delta's plans seem to fit with the numbers I posted.

The plan as best I see it:

• Move NWA's big airplanes to Delta's big bases.
• Move Delta's smaller airplanes to NWA's bases that have less market demand
• Backfill DC9's, a few MD88's and even a couple 757's with excess RJ capacity and new RJ capacity being brought on line.
• Dump the whales as 777's are available to replace them.

Without the merger, NWA has too many big, underutilized airplanes and pilots. Without the merger Delta has to come up with cash to buy big airplanes. Merger allows for optimization and keeps more NWA pilots employed.

Some would argue that the merger allows DAL the freedom to continue with growth plans and even add more during these tough economic times. Your own mgmt team has said the merger is what will allow DAL to meet all their debt obligations and to move forward with the growth plans.