NTSB Recommends Changes In Crew Sched., Comm Proced.

[§kyye Candy]

http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?ContentBlockID=09787827-0dbe-4d50-a993-c89a8e45b2b2

 

[1st Rate]

I'm all about changing the length of duty time...of course it would have to change for the better!!

 

[StopNTSing]

Typical government vagueness. How about this for a recommendation: After 12 hours on duty, you can't fly anymore.

 

[labbats]

An NTSB suggestion and $1 won't even buy you a cup of coffee anymore.

 

[ifly4u]

12 on/12 off.

Simple enough to fit on a bumper sticker.

 

[vtwo]

What about those long haul flights of more than 12 hours?
What about international charter?

what about unsched tech stop?

too many variables to get anyone to agree.
that is why we have rules still on the books that were made in the 50's when it was normal to run four engine prop plane with an Captain, Co-pilot,engineer, navigator, and in flight mechanic.
the rule haven't really kept up with the times now have they

 

[JoeMerchant]

How is everyone going to feel when a 12 hour duty day results in more days at work and fewer days off?

Be careful what you wish for....

Any mention of pilot experience? We will probably get some more "recipe flying" out of this.....while the biggest problem - experience....is ignored.....

 

[olympus593]

How is everyone going to feel when a 12 hour duty day results in more days at work and fewer days off?

Be careful what you wish for....

Any mention of pilot experience? We will probably get some more "recipe flying" out of this.....while the biggest problem - experience....is ignored.....

Congrat you are managment's wet dream!!!

 

[waveflyer]

How is everyone going to feel when a 12 hour duty day results in more days at work and fewer days off? quote]

if you're working over 12 hours to get your time in- there are more than a few off days that are useless recovery days to you anyway. My family does not appreciate zombie days that much, to be honest. I feel bad for how i am those days- present, but not really there.

Airlines need an incentive to schedule efficiently. It would be good for them.

 

[BigMeat]

How is everyone going to feel when a 12 hour duty day results in more days at work and fewer days off?

Be careful what you wish for....

Any mention of pilot experience? We will probably get some more "recipe flying" out of this.....while the biggest problem - experience....is ignored.....

Joe you are anti-labor anti ALPA. You are promanagement even your girl is owned by the company. Get over yourself. I rarely fly more than a 12 hour day. International may have a different set of rules

 

[olympus593]

Joe you are anti-labor anti ALPA. You are promanagement even your girl is owned by the company. Get over yourself. I rarely fly more than a 12 hour day. International may have a different set of rules

I bet him and his girl are fighting for the space under the CEO's desk what a troll!

 

[BigMeat]

I bet him and his girl are fighting for the space under the CEO's desk what a troll!

U bet! You know what I hope happens to Mr.RJDC (joe)? I hope he walks into his trailer really depressed about his girl leaving him for Mr.VPofsomething. He walks over to the cabinet to get a drink of scotch only to find his dogs head staring blankly back at him. He screeches like the little he biotch that he is and goes stumbling backwards onto the floor. Just then out of the corner of his eye he spots the pedophile living next door running naked at him from the waist down. Now folks, this is no ordinary pedophile this is a big redneck one. Hands the size of baby dolphins. Joe tries to scramble away only to get his fat head stomped on repeatedly until he blacks out. Finally Joe starts to come about several hours later with an extreme headache, vision blurred and very parched. He tries to move but realizes that he is tied up in the woods and his feet are missing!!!!

 

[regionaltard]

U bet! You know what I hope happens to Mr.RJDC (joe)? I hope he walks into his trailer really depressed about his girl leaving him for Mr.VPofsomething. He walks over to the cabinet to get a drink of scotch only to find his dogs head staring blankly back at him. He screeches like the little he biotch that he is and goes stumbling backwards onto the floor. Just then out of the corner of his eye he spots the pedophile living next door running naked at him from the waist down. Now folks, this is no ordinary pedophile this is a big redneck one. Hands the size of baby dolphins. Joe tries to scramble away only to get his fat head stomped on repeatedly until he blacks out. Finally Joe starts to come about several hours later with an extreme headache, vision blurred and very parched. He tries to move but realizes that he is tied up in the woods and his feet are missing!!!!

Not much chance that this one ever gets topped. Instant FI classic.

 

[BigMeat]

Not much chance that this one ever gets topped. Instant FI classic.

Thank you regionaltard not everyone appreciates my work. At least some can identify intellect!

 

[Jmoney]

U bet! You know what I hope happens to Mr.RJDC (joe)? I hope he walks into his trailer really depressed about his girl leaving him for Mr.VPofsomething. He walks over to the cabinet to get a drink of scotch only to find his dogs head staring blankly back at him. He screeches like the little he biotch that he is and goes stumbling backwards onto the floor. Just then out of the corner of his eye he spots the pedophile living next door running naked at him from the waist down. Now folks, this is no ordinary pedophile this is a big redneck one. Hands the size of baby dolphins. Joe tries to scramble away only to get his fat head stomped on repeatedly until he blacks out. Finally Joe starts to come about several hours later with an extreme headache, vision blurred and very parched. He tries to move but realizes that he is tied up in the woods and his feet are missing!!!!

Nice,

Except-I hope all this happens to General Lee/737 Plyt. That turd really deserves to be attacked by a big redneck with hands the size of baby dolphins!

-Eat it General!!!

 

[§kyye Candy]

How is everyone going to feel when a 12 hour duty day results in more days at work and fewer days off?

Be careful what you wish for....

Any mention of pilot experience? We will probably get some more "recipe flying" out of this.....while the biggest problem - experience....is ignored.....

Exhaustion is more than just how many hours in a row one flies - it's how many circadian rhythm swaps you have in a given period of time, how long you are left standing and waiting for a shuttle to the hotel on your supposed "rest" periods, the quality of rest (crappy bed, stupid maids who can't read the schedule and show up in the middle of your sleep period, trains going by), how many days in a row you work, how often your schedule is mis-managed to the point of being jr. manned, commuting time, etc.

All of these things need to be factored in when considering fatigue levels. Maybe considering pay and benefits have been decreased ten fold, we should be looking at decreasing duty times to something more reasonable and managable.

 

[Jonny Sacko]

U bet! You know what I hope happens to Mr.RJDC (joe)? I hope he walks into his trailer really depressed about his girl leaving him for Mr.VPofsomething. He walks over to the cabinet to get a drink of scotch only to find his dogs head staring blankly back at him. He screeches like the little he biotch that he is and goes stumbling backwards onto the floor. Just then out of the corner of his eye he spots the pedophile living next door running naked at him from the waist down. Now folks, this is no ordinary pedophile this is a big redneck one. Hands the size of baby dolphins. Joe tries to scramble away only to get his fat head stomped on repeatedly until he blacks out. Finally Joe starts to come about several hours later with an extreme headache, vision blurred and very parched. He tries to move but realizes that he is tied up in the woods and his feet are missing!!!!

DUDE!!!! What kind of movies did you watch growing up. WOW!

 

[DrunkIrishman]

http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/legaff/mann8-3.html

http://cf.alpa.org/internet/projects/ftdt/backgr/NASA_TM_110404.pdf

The first link is a brief; whereas, the second is the full report conducted over a decade ago.

The only way to change any of this is to separate the FAA's safety oversight and give it to the NTSB or other entity. Until then, the FAA has a legal responsibility to both the passenger and the businesses.

 

[Long Time Gone]

U bet! You know what I hope happens to Mr.RJDC (joe)? I hope he walks into his trailer really depressed about his girl leaving him for Mr.VPofsomething.

That'll never happen. She's that large and bad looking.

 

[SSDD]

The one bad thing I've heard about this is that they want to count your commuting time as part of your duty time.