USAir will cut capacity 9% in 4Q, an additional 9% in 09--article

[johnnyb]

and now our pilots are being furloughed are a significantly higher % rate than theirs. What a pile of doo-doo.

I can't help but notice all flying identified as being eliminated comes from the West operation.

Las Vegas Flight Reduction: Effective Sept. 3, the airline's Las Vegas night operation will be closed, except for limited night service to the East Coast. Historically, both pre-merger America West Airlines and today's US Airways have operated an extensive late-night operation in Las Vegas. However, due to the high cost of fuel, the revenue generated from the Las Vegas night operation no longer exceeds the incremental cost of that flying. As a result, the airline will park those planes overnight, as it does for the majority of its fleet in other markets. Overall, daily departures from Las Vegas, which were as high as 141 during Sept. 2007, will drop to 81 with the Sept. 3, 2008 schedule change. The airline's Las Vegas daily departures will drop further to approximately 74 by the end of 2008 as aircraft are retired from the fleet.

 

[MK82Man]

Johnny B -- so they are reducing flying out of LAS, so what. The point is that West pilots (175) with dates of hire back to April of 2004 are going to be let go while East pilot who were furloughed at the time of our Merger in May 2005 will stay on property and keep flying out East. IE when the companies merged, we had East and West pilots, and then we began to recall East furloughees. Now some dude who didn't have a job when the 175 West dudes did will get to stay employed, while me and 174 of my West pilots lose our job to some dude who didn't have one before. We have a combined seniority list that has been presented to Management, but UCRAPPA doesn't recognize it. UCRAPPA hasn't even commented on the furloughs, why, they don't care. The mission of UCRAPPSVILLE is to further the East at the expense of the West. Now that is some union.

Now at $135 a barrel, the whole ship is in danger of sinking, but 175 west guys out of 1690 dudes is a 10% furlough rate. 125 guys out of 2800 East dudes is less than 5% (and they are all new hires). Why do the West pilots at US Airways have twice the furlough rate? We don't have a combined contract and the East pilots don't care. Imagine if CO decided to furlough only from EWR but not IAH and you had no path as a EWR dude to move to another domicile. That is what is going to happen. It is really sad -- we would have all been so much better off if industry pressures had just forced US Airways out of CH 13 and into CH 7. That would have cut capacity 3 years ago. If you see a UCRAPPA East pilot, ask 'em what the plan is to protect the West pilots being furloughed while East pilots remain employed? If UCRAPPA supported Fair Representation, UCRAPPA would go to Management and say lets furlough at the same % on East and West to be fair -- never gonna happen. The creation of a dysfunctional UCRAPPA on the cusp of $150 oil is a management dream. I'm sure there will be much more exploitation by management to come, a true downward spiral for airline labor thanks to those clowns. If the entire ship sinks, 1700 AWA pilots will go down on the US Airways Titanic

 

[Captzaahlie]

Gettin' nervous yet ?


PHXFLYR

About what?


I've got Uspa, Unemployment and possibly Obama
looking out for me!

 

[johnnyb]

Johnny B -- so they are reducing flying out of LAS, so what. The point is that West pilots (175) with dates of hire back to April of 2004 are going to be let go while East pilot who were furloughed at the time of our Merger in May 2005 will stay on property and keep flying out East.

We have a combined seniority list that has been presented to Management,

MK82 - I'm truly sorry you are being furloughed as I've been through it myself several times. Here's to hoping oil comes down and your furlough goes away.

The furloughs are based upon block hour reductions and not some % scheme you devise in your own mind as being 'fair'. The fact is the block hour reductions are greater on the West than the East and therefore, the reductions as well.

Attempting to use your status in 2005 as some type of lifetime job security is unrealistic. As you, and countless others have postulated, furloughed pilots do not displace active ones. Well, in 2008 the shoe is on the other foot.

Again, lets hope for a soultion that keeps you employed.

 

[get2flyin]

Attempting to use your status in 2005 as some type of lifetime job security is unrealistic. As you, and countless others have postulated, furloughed pilots do not displace active ones. Well, in 2008 the shoe is on the other foot.

Again, lets hope for a soultion that keeps you employed.

ROFLMAO! Geez, isn't that why USAPA was created? To ensure that guys furloughed in 2001 and earlier could come back and and use their status to bump West Captains? So which way is it going to be then?:laugh:

 

[weasel_lips]

Johnny B -- so they are reducing flying out of LAS, so what. The point is that West pilots (175) with dates of hire back to April of 2004 are going to be let go while East pilot who were furloughed at the time of our Merger in May 2005 will stay on property and keep flying out East.

I don't see anything wrong with that.

 

[weasel_lips]

If you see a UCRAPPA East pilot, ask 'em what the plan is to protect the West pilots being furloughed while East pilots remain employed?

Dude, it is AMERICA WEST MANAGEMENT furloughing people. Why don't you ask them.

I guess it is easier to blame those evil easties for anything and everything that happens. I am sure they have something to do with the high gas prices too....

 

[linecheck]

Dude, it is AMERICA WEST MANAGEMENT furloughing people. Why don't you ask them.

I guess it is easier to blame those evil easties for anything and everything that happens. I am sure they have something to do with the high gas prices too....

Where did the VP of Flt Ops at US Airways come from again? I forget...

 

[reepicheep]

I've worked at both, and I can tell you this place has the carcinogenic stench of usair written all over it, right down to the abandonment of the west coast (again).

 

[Bringupthebird]

Dude, it is AMERICA WEST MANAGEMENT furloughing people. Why don't you ask them.

I guess it is easier to blame those evil easties for anything and everything that happens. I am sure they have something to do with the high gas prices too....

No, just blame them for their shameless response. They make getting out of aviation look better and better.

Isn't it funny how Bradford keeps going to Parker and asking, "How much is it gonna cost us to screw the west?" And this guy considers himself a labor leader.

 

[vetrider]

No, just blame them for their shameless response. They make getting out of aviation look better and better.

Isn't it funny how Bradford keeps going to Parker and asking, "How much is it gonna cost us to screw the west?" And this guy considers himself a labor leader.

Parker only has to walk down the hall to speak to usapa.

 

[PHXFLYR]

Ain't that the truth.


PHXFLYR

 

[PHXFLYR]

About what?


I've got Uspa, Unemployment and possibly Obama
looking out for me!

LOL !!! God bless ya, buddy . I knew you'd figure out how to put a positive spin on things. You guys apply to Southwest yet? I heard they are still planning on hiring 450 next year. If you or any of the other guys need a rec letter,let me know.

PHXFLYR

 

[weasel_lips]

About what?


I've got Uspa, Unemployment and possibly Obama
looking out for me!

I don't know. I bet there will be a lot of EVLA's being taken. Who knows they may get 125 of them.....

 

[PHXFLYR]

He's a "westie", numbnuts

PHXFLYR