Worst. Airline. Ever (United)

[GuppyWN]

I wasn't trying to start a war I was just having a little fun with you guys. Your past hiring practices and Tiltons management "style" have made you an easy target.

I am no fan of United but I should have been a little more respectful.

Gup

 

[Sonny Crockett]

I guess I am not BITTER since I turned SWA down! Of course I turned down DAL and NWA as well, so in taking the UAL offer I was a real smart guy!

Never know until 2036 when I must retire at 65, unless that changes too!

At least I got to fly heavy jets to far away places, and if UAL tanks--I will do something else I really don't care about working for XYZ airlines, my job is my job not my life--unlike some of the losers on this board who make video's of themsleves or dye their hair blond and post gay blogs about life at SWA.

Good luck to all!

 

[eaglesview]

I wasn't trying to start a war I was just having a little fun with you guys. Your past hiring practices and Tiltons management "style" have made you an easy target.

I am no fan of United but I should have been a little more respectful.

Gup

Forget about it, I guess my stress level is up, imagine that!!

 

[Tanker Clown]

I see you have lots of airline time and experience??? 1750 hours wow..Hope you don't mind if I discount your comments just a bit.

Ah yes, my profile. Well, it is on a public forum where no one really knows anyone....so it's got to be true. Perphaps I can click the mouse a couple of times and make it 100 billion hours. Who's counting anyway?

 

[contrail67]

The day a SW guy could trash a UAL guy for agreeing to sub par pay was definitely the sunset of this profession. By the way, what kind of pension did a Southwest guy retire with in 1989 or better yet 1998? Beyond the selfish realm, can you name me one significant safety enhancement brought forward by the individuals at SWAPA? I know their are countless examples from exemplary people at UAL over time. A lot of the thought in the runway and taxi way markings we see every day came from brains that worked for 'the worst airline ever.' Point is simple, be humble when your own house has nothing better then cr@p on its face...

Don't even get into it with SWA guys on this. They need to be on the LCC board anyway. And we all know the real competition for SWA is Greyhound.

 

[Tanker Clown]

SWA and Greyhound have alot in common. Greyhound doesn't comply with ADs either!

 

[contrail67]

Where is SonnyCrockett or Contrail67 when you need a little positive spin?

Gup

Positive spin? Anything wrong with that? I won't put a positive spin on a stupid article like this one. 1 dorks opinion is all it is.
I am a optomistic person and really don't let an article like this decide my future, or really influence me....its been a great job and I hope it continues to be that...period.

 

[eaglesview]

Positive spin? Anything wrong with that? I won't put a positive spin on a stupid article like this one. 1 dorks opinion is all it is.
I am a optomistic person and really don't let an article like this decide my future, or really influence me....its been a great job and I hope it continues to be that...period.

Well put, heres to dumping Glenn.

 

[waveflyer]

great job of selling out the junior side of your pilot force-- united has been one of the leaders in outsourcing jobs and furloughing the bottom half--- i hope it's been 'good' to you-- flying is always great-but if the job has truly been good to you, than i believe you've done a lot of damage to this industry in how you've voted. You shouldn't have gone to work the day after the pensions were stolen- and you shouldn't have gone to work after scope violation after scope violation.... but since it didn't affect YOU enough.....

but as far as getting rid of Glenn... i'd run w/ that idea. That would be a good start.... end w/ unifying the group and getting all your pilots on one list.

 

[eaglesview]

but as far as getting rid of Glenn... i'd run w/ that idea. That would be a good start.... end w/ unifying the group and getting all your pilots on one list.

Which "lists" are you talking about??

 

[Cobra17]

Tilton is a slimeball, but what about the BOD and the bankruptcy court that approved him lining his pockets on the deal while his employees got raped? They all need to be held accountable and thrown in jail.

If I were at UAL, I'd be voting for Chicago based Obama and praying for another govt bailout.

I'm just saying...

 

[waveflyer]

oh i don't know... maybe the 8 or so lists of small jet providers that can be whipsawed at will... many of whom directly compete on mainline routes...

 

[Cobra17]

Don't even get into it with SWA guys on this. They need to be on the LCC board anyway. And we all know the real competition for SWA is Greyhound.

Correct on both points.

SWA does belong on the LCC board and Greyhound is a serious competitor to them. Much more than Shuttle or TED ever was.

 

[eaglesview]

oh i don't know... maybe the 8 or so lists of small jet providers that can be whipsawed at will... many of whom directly compete on mainline routes...

Are you talking about the fine RJ pilots who think it's a good idea to cut eachother off at the knees in a race to see who can do it for less?? If so why would we want that mentality on our property

 

[waveflyer]

Are you talking about the fine RJ pilots who think it's a good idea to cut eachother off at the knees in a race to see who can do it for less?? If so why would we want that mentality on our property

The only reason they are doing that is to get qualified for the UAL job that no longer exists. They cut themselves off at the knees b/c if they get too strong=- a la comair, awac, aca- their jobs get eliminated- and they have to go sling gear for rookies at the next 'regional'-- and when they get too strong.... the cycle repeats... it's not the pilots undercutting = it's the management's - the responsibility is on you to bring them all in under your own umbrella-- and until you do--- you'll see more paycuts yourself as more and more of those disenfranchised pilots choose to go work for VA and Jblu and definitely SWA... but then again-- aren't you attempting to cut SWA pilots off at the knees w/ your payrates?

"regional" pilots never got a vote in scope. 80-90% want a stable major airline job-- something that scope violations prevent...

 

[eaglesview]

The only reason they are doing that is to get qualified for the UAL job that no longer exists. They cut themselves off at the knees b/c if they get too strong=- a la comair, awac, aca- their jobs get eliminated- and they have to go sling gear for rookies at the next 'regional'-- and when they get too strong.... the cycle repeats... it's not the pilots undercutting = it's the management's - the responsibility is on you to bring them all in under your own umbrella-- and until you do--- you'll see more paycuts yourself as more and more of those disenfranchised pilots choose to go work for VA and Jblu and definitely SWA... but then again-- aren't you attempting to cut SWA pilots off at the knees w/ your payrates?

"regional" pilots never got a vote in scope. 80-90% want a stable major airline job-- something that scope violations prevent...

Weak at best.

 

[dispatchguy]

Wasnt United called Yo-nited?

 

[waveflyer]

Weak at best.

I agree, you have been weak. Very, very weak. And you've compromised the pilot profession b/c of it. Scope is everything and don't forget it.

And what are you doing if you're NOT undercutting SWA's rates and work rules? (<-- this is sarcastic flame based on many of our esteemed pilots- the biggest point i have is the importance of scope and how giving away those jobs has affected ALL of us. I don't see how that can be argued anymore... but some have their proverbial heads buried in the 90's)

 

[MountainFreak]

Wasnt United called Yo-nited?

Only by people who boned the interview.

 

[Peanut gallery]

And not to forget

Wasnt United called Yo-nited?

Untidy, and that we are.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Weak at best.

Nope.... in addition, ALPA needs to flatten its economic distribution of contracts.

Should fellow ALPA pilots qualify for gov't assistance while senior pilots are enjoying the best of the best?

Take CAL for example.... 6 months of no health insurance? The disparity between fellow pilots is unreal.

Finally, Starting pay at regionals should be about 30-40K. At the majors 60-70K. This would reduce the need for a national seniority list. Many pilots that lose their jobs can't start over at 30K. However many can go from 100K to 60K.

It is time ALPA pilots stop acting like 57,000 independent contractors and start acting like the national union they desperately crave....

Look at this thread... starts out to be a Uncle Tilton issue then turn into pilot v. pilot....

 

[JoeMerchant]

Nope.... in addition, ALPA needs to flatten its economic distribution of contracts.

Should fellow ALPA pilots qualify for gov't assistance while senior pilots are enjoying the best of the best?

Take CAL for example.... 6 months of no health insurance? The disparity between fellow pilots is unreal.

Finally, Starting pay at regionals should be about 30-40K. At the majors 60-70K. This would reduce the need for a national seniority list. Many pilots that lose their jobs can't start over at 30K. However many can go from 100K to 60K.

It is time ALPA pilots stop acting like 57,000 independent contractors and start acting like the national union they desperately crave....

Look at this thread... starts out to be a Uncle Tilton issue then turn into pilot v. pilot....

Holy cr@p batman....Who are you and what did you do with Rez......

 

[CopilotDoug]

Nope.... in addition, ALPA needs to flatten its economic distribution of contracts.

Should fellow ALPA pilots qualify for gov't assistance while senior pilots are enjoying the best of the best?

Take CAL for example.... 6 months of no health insurance? The disparity between fellow pilots is unreal.

Finally, Starting pay at regionals should be about 30-40K. At the majors 60-70K. This would reduce the need for a national seniority list. Many pilots that lose their jobs can't start over at 30K. However many can go from 100K to 60K.

It is time ALPA pilots stop acting like 57,000 independent contractors and start acting like the national union they desperately crave....

Look at this thread... starts out to be a Uncle Tilton issue then turn into pilot v. pilot....

Agreed!

 

[waveflyer]

thank you Rez-- one of the best posts i've read-and i couldn't agree more!
it's time to come together

and eaglesview-- it'll be a lot harder to do without you on board and seeing the big picture. apologies for the insults- but do you see the point? do you see how disenfranchising more than half of the legacy brand pilots has really destroyed the whole thing?