A new way for ALPA to collect dues

[800Dog]

The difference in dues is not the point. BTW, when does the profession start giving back to me? This is supposed to be a livelihood is it not?

FedEx guys are paid a decent living, well above what is needed to put a modest roof over your head and the basic necessities. They are not living paycheck to paycheck as I am. They can well afford to pull more of the load, plus the reason they are paying dues on their 401K contributions is due to the fact that they have an A AND B fund. I don't! You care to still talk about fair?

And for your last question as to why alpo is doing this....they are greedy crooks who just can't stomach the loss of the USAir dues so they stick it to the folks that are unfortunately stuck with this abysmal union which is merely a shell of its former self. They are no different than airline management as far as Im concerned. My wish is that other airlines give them the boot as well!

Have you considered going to work at FedEx?

 

[PCL_128]

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[maru657]

Perhaps it's time for a new union. One more representative of it's members. I'd say that first off it's got to be nationwide, with an immediate push for a nationwide seniority list and very strong political representation. strong enough that any politician that votes against labor finds himself or herself not only on the street but being investigated for every possible crime there is. Furthermore any pilot that votes against the interest of the group is forced out of the union and profession. Then no more security checks for pilots or flight crews and no more random screening either. A union strong enough to shut aviation down in the U.S.
Naaaa, not a chance.

 

[PlaneDrvr]

Perhaps it's time for a new union. One more representative of it's members. I'd say that first off it's got to be nationwide, with an immediate push for a nationwide seniority list and very strong political representation. strong enough that any politician that votes against labor finds himself or herself not only on the street but being investigated for every possible crime there is. Furthermore any pilot that votes against the interest of the group is forced out of the union and profession. Then no more security checks for pilots or flight crews and no more random screening either. A union strong enough to shut aviation down in the U.S.
Naaaa, not a chance.

Sounds interesting, Threats and Intimidation

Very effective, and sounds like the Teamsters union of the '60s and '70s. And, they were a very effective union then. If you went against the Teamsters back then, not only were you thrown out, but you better make sure to have someone (preferably someone you didn't like) 'start your car.' And, if a politician went again them, they would demand they be investigated for crimes, if they could buy them off, they would just 'frame' them for a crime. As I said, a very effective union back then, but then again, the 'muscle' for that effectiveness came from orgainized crime.

And, the union leaders were very highly paid and ended up 'stealing' the union's money.......well, in that sense, I guess they can be compared to alpa.

But, on a more serious note; I do agree with you that a new union is necessary. A union that is more receptive of the membership. NO union member should ever have to take a pay cut, before their leaders take a pay cut, lead by example. We keep saying that corporate leaders should take a pay cut before they ask their employees to take one, should we demand the same of our union leaders??

All of the top leadership of alpa get $9850./mth. just for 'living expenses' in addition to their $300,000./yr. salary. Would expect them to have to pay for 'rent/mortgage, utilities, a car and driver, etc' out of a mere $300,000, and expect to get by, of course not.

PD

 

[eaglesview]

ALPA,s latest screw up. Just three months ago ALPA signed a contract with ASTAR. My understanding is there was an 11th hour amendment to get rid of the scope clause which ALPA agreed to and then signed. Isn’t it funny how on the ALPA website they do not mention this fact. Now ASTAR pilots are looking at losing their jobs as DHL shifts their lift needs to UPS. One wonders if this union even wants to survive. They remind me of UAL management, pathetic!

500 more due paying members could be gone. Hold on to your wallets, or better yet just say no.

 

[maru657]

I posted earlier about the need for a new union but of course that was tongue in cheek. ALPA's leadership actually represents the members and U.S. pilot group as a whole far better than they realize, and that's not a complement. ALPA members turned down the opportunity for a national seniority list a LONG time ago in favor of short term interests. They ignore national politics with the exception of the occasional obligatory anti French or Democratic remark. Most gripe about the work conditions or insecurity of their jobs without a clue as to why they are so insecure or why work conditions are so hard. I would not seriously espouse getting rid of ALPA, But I would recommend a strong effort to be involved to the extent of haunting ALPA offices. I know of a former LEC who literally had a fist fight with the MEC on the floor of a national conference. HE was involved. Just don't tell me you support labor and then vote for anti-labor candidates.

 

[PCL_128]

ALPA,s latest screw up. Just three months ago ALPA signed a contract with ASTAR. My understanding is there was an 11th hour amendment to get rid of the scope clause which ALPA agreed to and then signed. Isn’t it funny how on the ALPA website they do not mention this fact. Now ASTAR pilots are looking at losing their jobs as DHL shifts their lift needs to UPS. One wonders if this union even wants to survive. They remind me of UAL management, pathetic!

500 more due paying members could be gone. Hold on to your wallets, or better yet just say no.

Your understanding is completely incorrect. All outstanding scope issues were resolved with that agreement, and the pilots overwhelmingly approved the TA. It was a good contract. Unfortunately, no US pilot group can have scope over flying that is owned by a German corporation. DHL is able to eliminate all ASTAR and ABX feed if they so choose. No scope language will change that. ASTAR scope only covers ASTAR flying. They are unable to scope DHL flying, which is owned by a German corporation.

 

[eaglesview]

Your understanding is completely incorrect. All outstanding scope issues were resolved with that agreement, and the pilots overwhelmingly approved the TA. It was a good contract. Unfortunately, no US pilot group can have scope over flying that is owned by a German corporation. DHL is able to eliminate all ASTAR and ABX feed if they so choose. No scope language will change that. ASTAR scope only covers ASTAR flying. They are unable to scope DHL flying, which is owned by a German corporation.

Well you make an interesting point. I will have to do more research on this. Unfortunately the end result will be the same,500 less dues paying members.
You know me I’ll get back to you.

 

[pipejockey]

Have you considered going to work at FedEx?

HAHAHA!!! Yeah, me and about 60,000 other airline pilots. Unless you are a good ole boy from some squadron, or know everybody and their brother who flies for FedEx, or of course a woman or minority, you have no chance.

A union strong enough to shut aviation down in the U.S.

Thats all we need to do. Problem is too many pu**ies satisfied with the status quo.

All of the top leadership of alpa get $9850./mth. just for 'living expenses' in addition to their $300,000./yr. salary.

This is absolutely unconscionable and should be considered a crime, akin to stealing from the membership. These scumbags oughta be strung up for their crimes, or at least taken out to the "learning tree" if ya know what I mean!

As I said, a very effective union back then, but then again, the 'muscle' for that effectiveness came from organized crime.

Ahh, the good ole days. Now the organized crime has moved from the streets to the House of Rep, the Senate and the White House!! We have to let these union clowns know who is in charge, and the answer to that is us, the membership where the all the money comes from. It's time to turn off the spigot, and cut down their money tree!

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

The difference in dues is not the point. BTW, when does the profession start giving back to me? This is supposed to be a livelihood is it not?

Yeah..... let's talk about that...

What have you given to the profession that you expect a return on it?

Please don't tell me you put on the uniform and fly to ATP standards and you say good bye to the folks and you wear your hat.....

That is expected. You don't get anything in return for doing something that you agreed to and is expected of you...

A profession means service. It doesn't mean you get served. It means you serve the profession. And the profession serves the betterment of the public.

Anyone can show up and fly the jet to standard. Bug deal. The question is... what are you doing that places value on the profession so that you may negotiate a fair to better than average wage?

FedEx guys are paid a decent living, well above what is needed to put a modest roof over your head and the basic necessities. They are not living paycheck to paycheck as I am. They can well afford to pull more of the load, plus the reason they are paying dues on their 401K contributions is due to the fact that they have an A AND B fund. I don't! You care to still talk about fair?

I told you before... life is not fair. Instead of wating around for someone else to make your life better, why don't you make our profession better.

There are plenty of guys in the same financial boat as you... yet they volunteer their time to the profession to make it better.

Your attitude defeats their work to make your life better...

And for your last question as to why alpo is doing this....they are greedy crooks who just can't stomach the loss of the USAir dues so they stick it to the folks that are unfortunately stuck with this abysmal union which is merely a shell of its former self. They are no different than airline management as far as Im concerned. My wish is that other airlines give them the boot as well!

Once again... you have no desire to address this issue... you just want to be mad. I've told you over and over, I can help you stop this... but you don't want to ask... cause you don't want to work for betterment... you just want to be served... and mad..


Oh... you may have the ability to mask your poor professional attitude in a FX interview... but for the most part FedEx hires pilots that serve the profession.... not those who expect to be served. All the ACPs at FedEx are ALPA members....

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

HAHAHA!!! Yeah, me and about 60,000 other airline pilots. Unless you are a good ole boy from some squadron, or know everybody and their brother who flies for FedEx, or of course a woman or minority, you have no chance.

More of that quality professional attitude...

Thats all we need to do. Problem is too many pu**ies satisfied with the status quo.

You are confusing me... it is ALPA or the members?

This is absolutely unconscionable and should be considered a crime, akin to stealing from the membership. These scumbags oughta be strung up for their crimes, or at least taken out to the "learning tree" if ya know what I mean!

Let me guess... too many pussies satisfied with the status quo? So is it your fellow pilot or ALPA?

Ahh, the good ole days. Now the organized crime has moved from the streets to the House of Rep, the Senate and the White House!! We have to let these union clowns know who is in charge, and the answer to that is us, the membership where the all the money comes from. It's time to turn off the spigot, and cut down their money tree!

Who is we?

 

[pipejockey]

Please don't tell me you put on the uniform and fly to ATP standards and you say good bye to the folks and you wear your hat.....

I am not required to wear a hat. And yes I do fly to ATP standards. As far as saying goodbye to the people? HA!! Most of them don't pay anywhere near enough for me to bother with!

That is expected. You don't get anything in return for doing something that you agreed to and is expected of you...

A profession means service. It doesn't mean you get served. It means you serve the profession. And the profession serves the betterment of the public.

What?? This is my livelihood. I not only expect to get something in return, I demand it!! Although my demands fall on deaf ears. Are you saying you work for free? The whole point of having a job is to get money in return to live on correct? And to what extent do you feel we should "better" the public considering the joke they pay these days for our services? Maybe if they showed a willingness to pay a fair fare(no pun intended) that allows us to earn a nice living, I'd be willing to concern myself the service they receive. As the old saying goes, you get what you pay for...no?

Anyone can show up and fly the jet to standard. Bug deal. The question is... what are you doing that places value on the profession so that you may negotiate a fair to better than average wage?

So I ask you, what did we do to devalue the profession that warrants the despicably low pay we currently receive? All we did was allow our earning power to plummet from 1978 in order to help our companies survive, all the while thinking we'd be rewarded when profits returned. But consistent profits never returned, nor will this industry ever show consistent profits. And furthermore, what kind of value are you talking about? Our wonderful companies have taken away every luxury imaginable to the passengers. All we can do as pilots anymore is get them to their destinations safely. For these fares, thats all they deserve.

I told you before... life is not fair. Instead of wating around for someone else to make your life better, why don't you make our profession better.

There are plenty of guys in the same financial boat as you... yet they volunteer their time to the profession to make it better.

Your attitude defeats their work to make your life better...

How do you know I don't? I can proudly say I have never, EVER, voted yes to a contract that contained a pay cut, even when it possibly meant my job. Can you say the same? Is that not an attempt to make the profession better? And as far as alpo goes, I wouldn't volunteer the time of day to those a**clowns considering the bang up job they have done defending this once fine profession that our fathers and grandfathers enjoyed. Now it is just about an embarrassment. Thanks alpo. with special consideration to their partners in crime southworst. What a 1-2 knockout punch!!

All the ACPs at FedEx are ALPA members....

Well thats quite enlightening! As FedEx is an alpo carrier I am not surprised

 

[pipejockey]

You are confusing me... it is ALPA or the members?

It is ALL of the big wigs at alpo and many of their members.

Who is we?

All airline crew members and all of its labor workforce for that matter!

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

this once fine profession that our fathers and grandfathers enjoyed. Now it is just about an embarrassment. Thanks alpo!!

Can you provide specifics about how our fine profession was?