A new way for ALPA to collect dues

[pipejockey]

Using the FedEx pilot is actually in your favor.

How so?

I've been furloughed 2x and displaced 2x since 2000. the last seven years have not been fair. I just choose not to be emotional about it all...

No, you just let alpo pi** all over you and then buy it when they tell you it's just raining.

I am actually on your side on this... the thing of it is... you have no comprehension of what is going on here.

Yes I do. You explained it a few posts back, even though I already knew. But thanks. What I comprehend is that an organization whose sole purpose for existing should be to protect an airline pilots way of life, quality of life, and at the very least, keeping our earning power steady with the cost of living, has done nothing but sit by idly while in a mere 7 years our earning power has been cut in half. And then they have the gall to try to extort more money from us by assessing dues on 401K contributions by the pilots whose only retirement plan is the 401K. Quite despicable. And they have the audacity to do it behind our backs. If it were not for this thread I would have found out about it once it had been approved behind closed doors by the crooks who run this organization.

Spare me the emotional tirade. Take a nap. Think. Listen. Act.

Emotional? you're d*mn right!!! We have our employers telling us we are overpaid and must work more for less, contribute more for our benefits...etc. We have to hear the passengers telling us how THEY are nickel and dimed when they are paying half of what they should be for fares. Now we have alpo, telling us we must sacrifice more of what we don't have, which is cold hard cash, so they can continue to do such a bang up job "protecting" and "taking back" our profession, all the while I am living hand to mouth and paycheck to paycheck wondering if my job will even be around much longer. In a word DESPICABLE!!!

Please everyone, get the word out to all the other crewmembers you fly with and encounter on the job and make our voices heard on this. We will not be contributing yet more cash to this broken organization.

 

[pipejockey]

no, I read the thread...I just don't see how not paying dues is going to make the situation better. If you, instead of starting the campaign to get everyone to stop paying dues, started a campaign to get all of those people to call their status reps and tell them emphatically to vote no, the vote would probably fail by a large margain. By not paying dues to our union, all you would be doing is weakening our position and putting yourself at risk for termination.

I agree we are losing earning power every year, but who's fault do you really think that is? What specifically do you expect ALPA to do differently? Do you think that our situation might have something to do with the Bush administration and their "there will be no airline strikes during my term" position?

If you read about ALPA's history you'll notice that ALPA's success is critically linked to who's in office in Washington. As we are governed by the RLA and the government decides when we can strike, it is pretty obvious that a strike / labor success is more unlikely when you have someone that hates airline labor in office (ie Bush/McCain).

I intend to do everything in my power at the menial line pilot position to put a stop to this, but I am merely encouraging everybody here and now that come fall if this is approved alpo will be receiving less in dues, thereby encouraging them to go back to "defending and taking back our profession" if they ever were doing that between lining their pockets with our dues.

And btw, there was an airline strike under Bush's term...Comair. And they got a half way decent contract as far as regionals go back 7 years ago. What ashame that they'd probably be thrilled to have that contract back even though it was 7 years ago.

What do I expect alpo to do differently? How about for 1, not putting these ridiculous TA's before the pilots for vote. We all know too many pilots are too weak and afraid to not just accept what management offers them. If these TA's that have come up for vote recently, and approved, are the best alpo has to offer, then they are not worth what I flush down the toilet everyday!

Just look at ASA's recently signed contract...PATHETIC!! Now watch all the defenders of the profession come out and tell me how great they think the contract is and all the improvements that were made. Yes, I agree many improvements were made, but that just shows you what a world of hurt we are in when that pos is considered an improvement. Let me make clear, I am not knocking the ASA people, I merely think they deserve FAR better as we all do.

 

[eaglesview]

I think there is a lot that goes into a merger to consider, and simply using one reasoning in making up a list is ridiculous. To have a DOH list at Airways would have ended up with around 10% of west pilots in the top 3000, with the bottom 2000 pilots being 90% west. I don't care what reasoning you give, that IS a staple in my opinion. The nic award most likely would not have been so harsh to the east pilots had they not been so demanding in their negotiating positions.

The reason the list would be weighted toward the east is because they have been around longer. To be honest with you I really don't care as long as there is no LCC/UAL merger which will be bad for all involved. However just for fun I carry the nic with me and show the guys I am paired with the results. By the end of the discussion they are almost all for DOH and agree with the USAir pilots position to dump ALPA.

 

[PCL_128]

By the end of the discussion they are almost all for DOH and agree with the USAir pilots position to dump ALPA.

Or that's just what they tell you to get you to shut up with your ridiculous ramblings.

 

[eaglesview]

Or that's just what they tell you to get you to shut up with your ridiculous ramblings.

Just a bit testy don't you think. Why do you give a hoot when last I checked Air Tran was not involved.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

How so?




No, you just let alpo pi** all over you and then buy it when they tell you it's just raining.



Yes I do. You explained it a few posts back, even though I already knew. But thanks. What I comprehend is that an organization whose sole purpose for existing should be to protect an airline pilots way of life, quality of life, and at the very least, keeping our earning power steady with the cost of living, has done nothing but sit by idly while in a mere 7 years our earning power has been cut in half. And then they have the gall to try to extort more money from us by assessing dues on 401K contributions by the pilots whose only retirement plan is the 401K. Quite despicable. And they have the audacity to do it behind our backs. If it were not for this thread I would have found out about it once it had been approved behind closed doors by the crooks who run this organization.



Emotional? you're d*mn right!!! We have our employers telling us we are overpaid and must work more for less, contribute more for our benefits...etc. We have to hear the passengers telling us how THEY are nickel and dimed when they are paying half of what they should be for fares. Now we have alpo, telling us we must sacrifice more of what we don't have, which is cold hard cash, so they can continue to do such a bang up job "protecting" and "taking back" our profession, all the while I am living hand to mouth and paycheck to paycheck wondering if my job will even be around much longer. In a word DESPICABLE!!!

Please everyone, get the word out to all the other crewmembers you fly with and encounter on the job and make our voices heard on this. We will not be contributing yet more cash to this broken organization.

ALPA is not assesing your 401k.

You still don't understand.

Your last paragraph is entertaining.... you don't even know how address this issue. I think you know how to fly a jet very well...

But when it comes to managing your career..... well....

Did I tell you... that you fly jets really well...


If you want to stop Bad ALPA... I can help you.... will you listen and leave the emotion somewhere else?

 

[pipejockey]

ALPA is not assesing your 401k.

You still don't understand.

What don't YOU understand? I contribute 10% of my pay to my 401K. Currently 90% of may pay is asessed dues while the other 10% is not. Are you playing games with me or something? This is the last time I address your assertion that I don't understand what is going on. Bottom line...alpo is extorting yet more money from the working man to line their pockets with...err I mean to take back and defend our profession with

 

[WalterSobchak]

Jesus Tapdancin' Christ, people! We've gone 15 pages...and not one person has said it yet...

MESA SUCKS!

with apologies to the Majors board regulars...it's a "Regionals forum thing"...

 

[Bringupthebird]

The reason the list would be weighted toward the east is because they have been around longer. To be honest with you I really don't care as long as there is no LCC/UAL merger which will be bad for all involved. However just for fun I carry the nic with me and show the guys I am paired with the results. By the end of the discussion they are almost all for DOH and agree with the USAir pilots position to dump ALPA.

So how do you go about explaining that you are currently at the bottom of your company's list but you think you should be in the middle and that your windfall should come at the expense of someone whose only crime was coming to work each day at an airline that wasn't bankrupt?

Will you be as proud of your fellow USAPA members when pilots are furloughed as a direct result of the labor toxicity USAPA has perpetuated and which prevents LCC from participating in needed consolidation?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

What don't YOU understand? I contribute 10% of my pay to my 401K. Currently 90% of may pay is asessed dues while the other 10% is not. Are you playing games with me or something? This is the last time I address your assertion that I don't understand what is going on.

Perhaps you do understand... you just have a problem expressing the information properly...thus giving the impression you don't.

So what is going to be the difference in dues for you personally? IOW how much more per paycheck will give to the profession?

Do you want to pay your fair share? Or should the FedEx guys pay the same percentage on a higher value?

Just curious if you are special or if you want to pull your fair share of the load?

Keep in mind... I am on your side... I don't think ALPA should be doing this right now... but I do understand why they are doing it.... do you? Can you maturely understand and express why ALPA is doing this...

Bottom line...alpo is extorting yet more money from the working man to line their pockets with...err I mean to take back and defend our profession with

Extortion... that maybe be how you feel, however, democracy is making the change. Do you have the democratic skills to stop it?

If you need help... just ask.....

 

[Turtle21]

Recalling Prater will not do anything. The US Airways pilots have the right idea. ...

Hear, hear!

We all know that these new ALPA policies would be no issue if ALPA was really a union and were doing what the they claim to be able to do (and are paid to do.)

The blow back couldn't happen to a better group of leaders.:laugh:

 

[Turtle21]

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[eaglesview]

So how do you go about explaining that you are currently at the bottom of your company's list but you think you should be in the middle and that your windfall should come at the expense of someone whose only crime was coming to work each day at an airline that wasn't bankrupt?

Will you be as proud of your fellow USAPA members when pilots are furloughed as a direct result of the labor toxicity USAPA has perpetuated and which prevents LCC from participating in needed consolidation?

The "toxi stew" at LCC is the nic. It leaves a third party with no logical way of integrating the seniority list. Do I go behind the guy hires after me or before the guy hired before me? Both options make no sense. Thankfully the deal appers to be off so we (UAL) won't have to worry about it.

 

[Turtle21]

...IOW how much more per paycheck will give to the profession?

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To the profession?

Of all the ideals of ALPA, that is the one they should have never abandoned.

 

[pipejockey]

So what is going to be the difference in dues for you personally? IOW how much more per paycheck will give to the profession?

Do you want to pay your fair share? Or should the FedEx guys pay the same percentage on a higher value?

Just curious if you are special or if you want to pull your fair share of the load?

Can you maturely understand and express why ALPA is doing this...

The difference in dues is not the point. BTW, when does the profession start giving back to me? This is supposed to be a livelihood is it not?

FedEx guys are paid a decent living, well above what is needed to put a modest roof over your head and the basic necessities. They are not living paycheck to paycheck as I am. They can well afford to pull more of the load, plus the reason they are paying dues on their 401K contributions is due to the fact that they have an A AND B fund. I don't! You care to still talk about fair?

And for your last question as to why alpo is doing this....they are greedy crooks who just can't stomach the loss of the USAir dues so they stick it to the folks that are unfortunately stuck with this abysmal union which is merely a shell of its former self. They are no different than airline management as far as Im concerned. My wish is that other airlines give them the boot as well!