"Fair" treatment for "experienced" pilots comes home to roost?

[atrdriver]

You won't win with this crowd, Undaunted. The senior guys may be from "Generation ME" but there is a strong representation on here from the "Entitlement Generation"

Apparently, this is putting a kink into alot of 'best laid plans'

Doesn't have a damn thing to do with entitlement. It has to do with their greed. I don't know how many times it has to be repeated before the pro-65 crowd gets it, but they KNEW the rules of the game when they started. They were fine with those rules as long as they benefited from them. Then, when the game was over for them, they decided that the rules were unfair, and wanted them changed. Gee, I wonder why I have no respect for them.

 

[~~~^~~~]

I'm not really looking for a Part 135 job. I'm doing something that is OK. And really, I don't think that anyone will ever receive much of anything for the legal actions. It is possible to be reinstated somehow in airline work, but by the time that would happen we'll all be over age 65. But who knows, anything is possible.

Thanks for your reasonable and thoughtfull reply.

It is possible now. Delta has re-hired several retired pilots. I helped one prep for his interview.

At issue is the demand to come back to the top of the list. A retro active remedy is going to be a problem as the whole rest of the airline gets displaced (in theory).

Some good friends & good pilots lost over a million when our airlines were acquired, our stock converted to DAL shares, and DAL tanked. A year later they were forced to retire. It stinks - Leo Mullin and Michelle Burns took their millions and ran.

The problem in winning this battle politically on the web board, is that the folks being asked to pay the price are not those responsible for your financial losses.

The average age of legacy 2007 new hires was around 36. These pilots have already lost years and are trying to make up time with pay rates below 50% of where they used to be.

If you were suing Parker, Tilton, Steenland, Mullin and Burns, I'd wish you luck. But in reality, you are suing me (as a taxpayer, ALPA member and pilot).

Respectfully,
~~~^~~~

 

[CopilotDoug]

The problem in winning this battle politically on the web board, is that the folks being asked to pay the price are not those responsible for your financial losses.

The average age of legacy 2007 new hires was around 36. These pilots have already lost years and are trying to make up time with pay rates below 50% of where they used to be.

If you were suing Parker, Tilton, Steenland, Mullin and Burns, I'd wish you luck. But in reality, you are suing me (as a taxpayer, ALPA member and pilot).

Respectfully,
~~~^~~~

That's a great point for the under-65 crowd.

 

[AlbieF15]

It will be interesting to me to see how hard the guys that are 60-61 fight for the RIGHT of that guy who is 63 to now come back in front of them.

That five year windfall at the very top suddenly is in jeopordy. So we will soon see if this was about "the right thing to do" or "I got mine..."

 

[UndauntedFlyer]

Be ready for the $hit to hit the fan at UAL by September 1. UAL is desparate for cash to pay a large note due in August. That's why they have been so agressively looking for a merger partner. Such a partner will likely not be found leading to the only result, a sell off.

 

[Uppercrust]

UAL and Airtranny should merge.:laugh::laugh:

 

[Whataburger]

This is really funny. My personal life: One wife, one house, three children (youngest now age-17). No boats or girlfriends. Had an airplane to teach my middle kid to fly.

My career: One strike, two long furloughs, ESOP money lost, stolen pension in 11th hour. Yea, I guess you're right, I had it made.

And your part about how you plan to retire early, that's really funny. It just won't happen unless you get sick or something like that, or unless you have a horrible commute making life a living hell. But isn't that you're doing then. The point is you'll have a choice.

Sounds like you've had a tough life. We should start interviewing in the fall if you want to apply.

 

[pipejockey]

We should start interviewing in the fall if you want to apply.

Thats just cruel!! You are heartless. Why would you want to have the guy endure that circus??

 

[AlbieF15]

Be ready for the $hit to hit the fan at UAL by September 1. UAL is desparate for cash to pay a large note due in August. That's why they have been so agressively looking for a merger partner. Such a partner will likely not be found leading to the only result, a sell off.

Morningstar reported they have been able to renotiate the terms on that particular situation. Still a mess...but apparently that iceberg will be dodged. Other ones?...who knows....

 

[Paul R. Smith]

Absolutely!! :uzi:Over 60 Pilots :smash:

Hey Superpilot,

How do you like Big Red?

Does NWA still have the dc-9-10 or are they all gone?

Do you fly with many "greenbook" guys that are still on the 9?

 

[SMOE]

Be careful what you wish for. Stricter medical standards would probably weed out some over 60 pilots. Unfortunately it would get rid of a heck of a lot of pilots under 60!! I'm amazed at the number of pilots I see (and some I know personally) in their 30's 40's and 50's, who are overweight anywhere from a few pounds to God knows how much. I don't think they have heard of exercise, eat healthy, no smoking, cut down on the coffee etc. Don't believe me? Just look around.

And the problem is?

I agree. Lots of pilots haven't made the correlation to good health habits = long career. Others know but think they are immortal. Still others find ways to cheat on the medical one way or the other when they know their de-qualed. Its all about choice and the roll of the dice.
These old geezers who have worn out their welcome have already proven they will go to any length to hang on. They find sympathetic lawyers and judges. I say lets tweak the the system to make them feel just a little more unwelcome.
Sort of a reverse "F*&k you, I got mine, who's with me?"

 

[UndauntedFlyer]

And the problem is?

I agree. I say lets tweak the the system to make them feel just a little more unwelcome.
Sort of a reverse "F*&k you, I got mine, who's with me?"

Great attitude! I guess you want yours and to hell with those who got screwed by the get out of my seat crowd.

By the way, nice avitar.

Live the dream!

 

[Fubijaakr]

Let's see how SMOE feels when he's 55. After all, HIS career has been extended for 5 years as well.

Looks like he's just pissed about not getting that early upgrade he was looking for.

 

[Superpilot92]

Let's see how SMOE feels when he's 55. After all, HIS career has been extended for 5 years as well.

Looks like he's just pissed about not getting that early upgrade he was looking for.

just cant give it up can you gummer? Fly till you die dumba$$

 

[SMOE]

Let's see how SMOE feels when he's 55. After all, HIS career has been extended for 5 years as well.

Looks like he's just pissed about not getting that early upgrade he was looking for.

You crack me up Gummer. Actually, I'll feel pretty good at 55 because I'll be on my way out the door. Unlike you, I have no desire to continue to the point that I need a wheelchair to get through the terminal and my FO read my approach plates to me ;-)
Perhaps if you hadn't spent your career playing with your FAs and drinking your dinner on the overnights, you could afford to retire. And, you wouldn't have to be one of those guys we'll talk/hear about. You know, the one that can't fly his way out of a Depends, eventually keels over the yoke, and the FO has to save the day.
As for the early upgrade, there's no such thing at the majors. The left seat will come when it comes. Its certainly not the obsession or self-appointed right for me that its become for you.
Go eat some oat bran, take two Geritols, and you'll feel better in the morning when you write out those alimony checks. 1, 2, 3 ?

 

[SMOE]

Great attitude! I guess you want yours and to hell with those who got screwed by the get out of my seat crowd.

By the way, nice avitar.

Live the dream!

Hey, I'm just adopting the prevalent attitude in the civilian flying world.

 

[UndauntedFlyer]

Hey, I'm just adopting the prevalent attitude in the civilian flying world.

I have no problem with anything about you. If you were my f/o I would probably have let you even fly a leg or two. Of course I would have stayed very close to the controls just in case you really messed up. Command is a great resposiblity, don't you know.

I'm sure you will do well in your career just because you seem to like women that look like real women.


Whatever you want, you can have it. They're all yours for the asking if you're a pilot.

Live the dream!

 

[relief tube]

[FONT=arial,helvetica,geneva]The Fight For Pilots Hurt By New Age 65 Rule[/FONT]


Now that U.S. airline pilots can fly to age 65, litigation is now moving forward to overturn wording in the 2007 law that also specifically barred some 3,000 pilots forced into retirement before age 60 from being rehired with their prior pay, position and benefits. ..........

I love the headine.....3000 old pilots "hurt" by the rule. How bout the 100,000 pilots that got f-ed by this. How bout those at the regionals trying to move up to the majors having to deal with no-one hiring, reduced mainline capacity and NOW a bunch of old f-s trying to sneak in the back door.

To hell with the greed SOBs. To hell with them.

 

[Axel]

SINCE THE DAWN OF HUMAN HISTORY THE POLITICALLY POWERFUL OLD PEOPLE DESTROYING the young people's future.

I fixed it for you.

 

[Jonny Sacko]

I have no problem with anything about you. If you were my f/o I would probably have let you even fly a leg or two. Of course I would have stayed very close to the controls just in case you really messed up. Command is a great responsibility, don't you know.

I'm sure you will do well in your career just because you seem to like women that look like real women.


Whatever you want, you can have it. They're all yours for the asking if you're a pilot.

Live the dream!

I'm RESPECTED DAMN YOU, my uniform fits JUST FINE! No, I haven't gotten fat. I'm RESPECTED, I'm still a Captain!!!