24 hours off in 7 days

[b82rez]

A little help.....

Flying 6 days in a row with no 24 hour period off. Scheduled to end at 2330 on the sixth day.

If you are late, knowing that your last leg will get you back after midnight are you legal?

Thanks in advance.

 

[SplitBar]

Yeah...that is legit. As long as the original schedule was legal. Legal to start, legal to finish.

 

[DrewBlows]

I disagree. You cannot do your last leg if you know it's going to take you into a seventh calender day without 24 hours off at some point.

"Legal to start, legal to finish" only applies to flight time limitations.

 

[regionalcap]

I agree with DrewBlows. I don't think that rule applies here. You could not depart knowing you would exceed the requirement. The "legal to start" is for flight time limitations.

 

[denny]

Agreed. You would not be legal in the situation described. We have similar situations with the Whitlow interpretation of max FAA duty days.

Similar scenario in your case. You can load up, taxi out and hold for takeoff. If your clearance to takeoff will put you wheels up such as to encroach on the 6 day/24 hour off limit then you must return to the gate and get off the plane. Not knowing or not recognizing that you will violate the rule in your case will still get you a violation. Knowing beforehand that you will violate the rule is spelled out in the regs which say a crewmember may not accept...

 

[SplitBar]

Actually, we are all wrong here. It would depend on what time you started duty on day 1 of your six day trip. You need the 24 hour rest in a 7 day span but it doesn't specify "calendar days". You have (6 x 24) hours to finish up your trip so add 144 hours to your report time to figure out what time past 11:30pm you can be on duty until. If the trip started at noon on day 1, you could stay on duty well past your scheduled end time to finish up. Of course you would have to take into account your daily duty limit also.

 

[maxblast72]

Actually, we are all wrong here. It would depend on what time you started duty on day 1 of your six day trip. You need the 24 hour rest in a 7 day span but it doesn't specify "calendar days". You have (6 x 24) hours to finish up your trip so add 144 hours to your report time to figure out what time past 11:30pm you can be on duty until. If the trip started at noon on day 1, you could stay on duty well past your scheduled end time to finish up. Of course you would have to take into account your daily duty limit also.

You are exactly right on FAA legality issue. Some airlines have contract rights to one calendar day off every 7 days in base but that is a whole another ball of wax.

 

[Big Beer Belly]

Actually, we are all wrong here.

I remember very clearly a situation where I had 1 minute of duty in my 6th zulu day and that forced a 24/7 break on the road in the hotel. So... at least as far as UPS is concerned... your unequivocal statement of certainty is... well... you know... WRONG.

UPS goes by zulu days. You cannot touch any part of the 7th zulu day without having a 24 hr break. Many of our pairings contain a positioning or depositioning 24/7 break for legality. Most pax trips pay on block (vs most on rig at UPS) so the 24/7 question is seldom encountered, except possibly for reserves.

BBB

 

[SplitBar]

I remember very clearly a situation where I had 1 minute of duty in my 6th zulu day and that forced a 24/7 break on the road in the hotel. So... at least as far as UPS is concerned... your unequivocal statement of certainty is... well... you know... WRONG.

UPS goes by zulu days. You cannot touch any part of the 7th zulu day without having a 24 hr break. Many of our pairings contain a positioning or depositioning 24/7 break for legality. Most pax trips pay on block (vs most on rig at UPS) so the 24/7 question is seldom encountered, except possibly for reserves.

BBB

Like MaxBlast said, Contractual stuff is an entirely different ball of wax. We are talking FAR legal here.

 

[Ty Webb]

Pretty sad that on a "Majors" board this subject is even coming up. Who the hell works 6 days under any circumstances, let alone 7?

 

[maxblast72]

What do you have against people overextending themselves and then having to work hard to find a way of paying for it all? Multiple houses, multiple ex-wives, multiple cars, Americans want it all.

Don't we want Americans to keep overextending themselves to keep this economy going (and feeling like they need to travel every month)?

 

[Green]

you don't need multiple houses to go broke as an airline pilot. just try and buy a decent house that doesn't happen to be in bumf#kc middle of nowhere and you're broke. I hate to break it to you but 100k isn't what it used to be and the majority of airline pilots working under 85 hours a month don't top that figure by much.

 

[gutshotdraw]

Pretty sad that on a "Majors" board this subject is even coming up. Who the hell works 6 days under any circumstances, let alone 7?

Uh.....fractionals. Every other week.

 

[CatfishVT9]

Pretty sad that on a "Majors" board this subject is even coming up. Who the hell works 6 days under any circumstances, let alone 7?

Reserves. We're taking one for the team to keep Ty on the line.:beer:

You've become one of those senior out of touch old Captains.

 

[Ty Webb]

Reserves. We're taking one for the team to keep Ty on the line.:beer:

You've become one of those senior out of touch old Captains.

What gave it away? Was it calling for the checklist while the FO was in the middle of the W&B?

What? Whaddaya mean FO's don't do W&B anymore? :erm:

They do on MY plane! :smash:

Aaaargh! Where's the Stew with my prune juice?

Heh-heh.

Actually, I think the Reserve pilots should be the highest paid, since it's the s#!ttiest schedule.

Take the day off . . . . tell 'em Ty said it was OK.