Hello Ual Goodbye Usappy

[Rez O. Lewshun]

They're one and the same. The West will have to take a bite of the same ******************** sandwhich that the west does (Furloughs, anyone???)

Two cows in line at the slaughterhouse. And the second cow is laughing at how bad the first cow is going to get it.

I'm grabbing the popcorn

However, you are the 56th cow...laughing at the 2nd cow who is laughing at the first...

Want butter for your popcorn?

 

[CopilotDoug]

However, you are the 56th cow...laughing at the 2nd cow who is laughing at the first...

Need butter for your popcorn?

Sorry, meant to say East and west, not west and west.

I'm not laughing, Rez. This is a glaring example of the second biggest weakness in the industry (Second only to weak management) and that is the pilot group. Where is this illusive brotherhood ALPA always touts? You have pilots at UAL-ALPA who are frothing at the mouth just to see those "East Bastards" get their's, all the while waving that big ALPA brotherhood flag. UAL does NOT have the best interest of the AWA pilots in mind.

 

[get2flyin]

Where is this illusive brotherhood ALPA always touts?

UAL does NOT have the best interest of the AWA pilots in mind.

The West isn't worried. What could possibly happen when USAPA is looking out for them? Now THAT'S brotherhood!

 

[CopilotDoug]

The West isn't worried. What could possibly happen when USAPA is looking out for them? Now THAT'S brotherhood!

And What are you doing to change it in your favor? Pissing and moaning won't get very favorable results.

 

[wmuflyguy]

Once again you talk out of yor a--s. It will be DOH. Read it again

Quote where it says DOH...

 

[Bringupthebird]

And What are you doing to change it in your favor? Pissing and moaning won't get very favorable results.

It's gotten the east everything they've asked for from the company. I'd say it's obviously working perfectly.

 

[CopilotDoug]

It's gotten the east everything they've asked for from the company. I'd say it's obviously working perfectly.

They took it a step further and acted on it.

 

[Ocity]

They took it a step further and acted on it.

Too bad they forgot to apply any form of logic to their actions.

Monkey's react by throwing feces when they get mad....Not much difference between that and USAPA.

 

[get2flyin]

Monkey's react by throwing feces when they get mad....Not much difference between that and USAPA.

BINGO! We've just found the message for my new bag tag. Thanks!

 

[cactusboy53]

Once again you talk out of yor a--s. It will be DOH. Read it again

Hope you fly that F15 smarter than you know labor law.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Reminds me at my regional. The young puppy's in class held the instructors in awe. Almost worshipped them. Sure they knew plenty about the jet, but when the discussion turned to the Wall Street business of running an airline, the puppy's still looked to the instructors as knowlegable Gods.

Amazing.

 

[vetrider]

Reminds me at my regional. The young puppy's in class held the instructors in awe. Almost worshipped them. Sure they knew plenty about the jet, but when the discussion turned to the Wall Street business of running an airline, the puppy's still looked to the instructors as knowlegable Gods.

Amazing.

I've seen the same type of thing on the line once in awhile with flight attendants. Some captain will be holding forth on an industry topic, just as clueless as the next guy, yet there is a flight attendant rapt with attention. I always got a chuckle out of seeing that.

 

[eaglesview]

There are also some UAL folks who have had quite enough of ALPA

 

[Ocity]

There are also some UAL folks who have had quite enough of ALPA

Who hasn't had enough of ALPA? That does not mean it gives the right to the simple majority to bust the union and strip away all meaningful benefits of the smaller group against their will. This case is simple the bigger group is pissed off about a binding agreement in which they entered freely. that's it. ALPA has nothing to do with the dawn of USappy.

 

[eaglesview]

Who hasn't had enough of ALPA? That does not mean it gives the right to the simple majority to bust the union and strip away all meaningful benefits of the smaller group against their will. This case is simple the bigger group is pissed off about a binding agreement in which they entered freely. that's it. ALPA has nothing to do with the dawn of USappy.

Actually that is the way the game is played in this country. Majority gets angry votes the bad guys out. Happening in politics as we speak

 

[Ocity]

Actually that is the way the game is played in this country. Majority gets angry votes the bad guys out. Happening in politics as we speak

Let's not start insulting our mass intelligence now. The first and only point made by USAPA to the west was the clear message that "your vote doesn't count". Those East guys had a fit when the possibility of trusteeship confronted them. Guess what they did, they stripped the union from the West. No difference.

If USAPA gets their way, shoves their "democracy" up the proverbial back side of the west, 85% of AMW will be stapled. That is a clear disenfranchisement and a slam dunk DFR lawsuit. USAPA will fail one way or another, it's foundation is rotten to the core and anything built on that is doomed.

 

[f15boomer]

Let's not start insulting our mass intelligence now. The first and only point made by USAPA to the west was the clear message that "your vote doesn't count". Those East guys had a fit when the possibility of trusteeship confronted them. Guess what they did, they stripped the union from the West. No difference.

If USAPA gets their way, shoves their "democracy" up the proverbial back side of the west, 85% of AMW will be stapled. That is a clear disenfranchisement and a slam dunk DFR lawsuit. USAPA will fail one way or another, it's foundation is rotten to the core and anything built on that is doomed.

In order to file a DFR you have to be a member of that union. That means you have to pay dues to that union. If you don't pay you don't play.

 

[Fubijaakr]

Not necessarily. USAPA is now the official bargaining agent for the entire LCC pilot group. If they fail in DFR, the AWA guys can still sue USAPA and the USAPA officers.

 

[cactusboy53]

Actually that is the way the game is played in this country. Majority gets angry votes the bad guys out. Happening in politics as we speak

Eagle;
You're right. The problem is that the AAA guys should have paid MORE attention to what the AAA MEC and LEC's were doing. That way they could have recalled the ALPA leadership.

ALPA National had little to NOTHING to do with the numerous contract setbacks / givebacks.

Now the AAA pilots are the pariah's of the Commercial Aviation industry. Their name is litterally "MUDD"....look it up (Mudd), it's an interesting story. The USAPA supporters will pay financially, emotionally, and in many other ways. All misery due by the lack of sense and no lack of greed.

 

[Ocity]

In order to file a DFR you have to be a member of that union. That means you have to pay dues to that union. If you don't pay you don't play.

wrong.