Recall Prater Before He Blows This Merger Too

[Rez O. Lewshun]

I thought the big compliant was ALPA doesn't function like a REAL union.... That it needs to do better in terms of its performance as a NATIONAL union.

Well... in order to do that... the MEC's are going to have to give up some autonomy and power.

If 50 states functioned in their own best interest and we didn't have a Federal gov't would we be as effective?

You want language in the ALPA C&BL and/or Admin manual that allows the President to mandate terms or action by the MEC's?? Imagine the outcry from pilots! Yet other pilots are demanding more of a National union. So which is it?

Discuss...

 

[N2264J]

Occam's airline is being merged with Delta. ASA and CMR were not being merged with Delta. Completely different situations.

So when did ALPA decide to yield to management and let them determined when and if a merger occurs?

Answer: August, 2000 during the PID hearing between Comair/ASA/Delta.

Because the mainliners threw the little guys to the alligators first only meant that they [the mainliners] would be eaten last. Management is going to play this out to its logical conclusion and you cheeseheads can't even see it when it's right in front of you and we point it out.

Or do you continue to belabor a lost argument in some juvenile attempt to save face?

 

[PCL_128]

So when did ALPA decide to yield to management and let them determined when and if a merger occurs?

They haven't. Collective bargaining agreements determine if a merger is required to take place, and neither the DAL nor the CMR agreement required a merger to take place. On the other hand, both the NWA and DAL agreements require a merger to take place in this case. I don't know why this is so difficult for you to understand.

 

[JoeMerchant]

They haven't. Collective bargaining agreements determine if a merger is required to take place, and neither the DAL nor the CMR agreement required a merger to take place. On the other hand, both the NWA and DAL agreements require a merger to take place in this case. I don't know why this is so difficult for you to understand.

...but both DAL and CMR were in section 6 negotiations and could have made it part of the contract negotiations.....

Are the DAL pilots doing anything that doesn't comply with both PWAs? If they aren't doing anything that doesn't comply with the 2 PWAs then I guess you should be happy....Unless there is a double standard.....

 

[PCL_128]

...but both DAL and CMR were in section 6 negotiations and could have made it part of the contract negotiations.....

I'm not getting into this debate again. Suffice it to say that it's blatantly obvious to everyone that these two situations are completely different. Even you know they are, you're just trying to spin it to suit your purposes and to continue beating the dead horse that is the RJDC's arguments.

Are the DAL pilots doing anything that doesn't comply with both PWAs?

No, they're simply doing something that is monumentally stupid. I never said that they didn't have the right to do what they've done. They clearly do. But they are creating a complete mess by doing so, and it's not good trade unionism.

 

[Airline Driver]

Joey and PLC are at it again. :bomb: Have fun Boyz!!

 

[Freight Dog]

I said it before, I say it again - ALPA is outdated and needs to go.

Here's a little something from the Islands of ALOHA:

As most of you know, Aloha Airlines ceased passenger operations. When they did that, they didn't FURLOUGH the pilots, instead they TERMINATED the pilots in direct violation of our CBA.

What's ALPA doing about it? Not a thing! The company didn't even have to file 1113(c). ALPA just rolled over.

I didn't get to go hang with Prater and the boys that rolled into town because I was already home in the mainland, but from what I gather from everyone, most pilots left the meeting totally disillusioned with ALPA.

 

[flygirlqt]

I said it before, I say it again - ALPA is outdated and needs to go.

Here's a little something from the Islands of ALOHA:

As most of you know, Aloha Airlines ceased passenger operations. When they did that, they didn't FURLOUGH the pilots, instead they TERMINATED the pilots in direct violation of our CBA.

What's ALPA doing about it? Not a thing! The company didn't even have to file 1113(c). ALPA just rolled over.

I didn't get to go hang with Prater and the boys that rolled into town because I was already home in the mainland, but from what I gather from everyone, most pilots left the meeting totally disillusioned with ALPA.

I am very sorry to hear that as it only is rubbing salt in a very bitter wound.

ALPA barely represents people that are paying and the millisecond they can not get any blood out of you they dump you like yesterdays trash.

It is all about money with ALPA.

 

[JoeMerchant]

I said it before, I say it again - ALPA is outdated and needs to go.

Here's a little something from the Islands of ALOHA:

As most of you know, Aloha Airlines ceased passenger operations. When they did that, they didn't FURLOUGH the pilots, instead they TERMINATED the pilots in direct violation of our CBA.

What's ALPA doing about it? Not a thing! The company didn't even have to file 1113(c). ALPA just rolled over.

I didn't get to go hang with Prater and the boys that rolled into town because I was already home in the mainland, but from what I gather from everyone, most pilots left the meeting totally disillusioned with ALPA.

....and you were put out of business because of a fellow ALPA carrier....Mesa....

ALPA has lost touch and until we threaten it's existance.....there will be no changes....

Now is the time....There is enough fury to change things.....

Take your ALPA PAC postage paid envelopes from the ALPA magazine and write your thoughts....send them to Herndon postage paid....

If you are on dues check off.....take yourself off dues checkoff and make them bill you.....then delay your payment.....Make them come and get it.......

If you still wear an ALPA pin....where it upside down...or don't wear it at all....

It's time for a Herndon tea party....

 

[FDJ2]

So when did ALPA decide to yield to management and let them determined when and if a merger occurs?

No, each MEC negotiates the parameters that require a merger through their own collective bargaining agreement. If you had negotiated language requiring a merger when you were acquired, it would have happened. If you fail to negotiate the requirement, don't blame others.

 

[FDJ2]

No, they're simply doing something that is monumentally stupid.

Yeah, who needs a pay raise? Imagine pilots negotiating with their management. How dare they.

They should have let the opportunity to get those pay raises and equity pass them by.

 

[JoeMerchant]

I love watching FDJ2 and PCL128 duke it out.....The ALPA cheerleader mudfight....:nuts:

ALPA has really painted themselves into a corner....They are using the same excuse they did against RJDC to defend this action.....This is going to be good......

 

[Poahi]

didn't FURLOUGH the pilots, instead they TERMINATED the pilots in direct violation of our CBA.

Did they reach an agreement yet? I heard the current cargo guys have until the end of the month.

 

[regionaltard]

Changing the President of ALPA won't solve this problem....

Necessary, but not sufficient.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Necessary, but not sufficient.

....what will change if you throw Prater out? We will have the same problems.....Time to split off from the legacy MEC's.....they want to go it alone...let them go it alone.....The problems here go much further than Prater......