Recall Prater Before He Blows This Merger Too

[JoeMerchant]

That's exactly the opposite of what needs to happen. Power needs to be consolidated in Herndon. Enough of the independent MEC bullsh--. Time for ALPA National to exert some control.

Oh so now it is is "BS" because the real members are getting their Ox gored.....Welcome to the party....But you are very late.....

What do you propose?

 

[PCL_128]

The fact that Occam is complaining about being excluded from the table is EXACTLY the same thing....What DALPA did is legal....

You are making our case that a double standard still exists.....

Occam's airline is being merged with Delta. ASA and CMR were not being merged with Delta. Completely different situations.

 

[PCL_128]

Oh so now it is is "BS" because the real members are getting their Ox gored.....Welcome to the party....But you are very late.....

What do you propose?

John, I've always said that the problem is a decentralization of power. And as I've told you before, Duane always said the same thing. Power needs to be concentrated at National to prevent these sorts of problems.

 

[XJohXJ]

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[JoeMerchant]

Occam's airline is being merged with Delta. ASA and CMR were not being merged with Delta. Completely different situations.

But Occam is pissed becaused the DAL MEC negotiated a deal without the NWA MEC....They were well within their "right" to do so....

The situation is EXACTLY the same.....NWA is being purchased by DAL.....ASA and CMR were purchased by DAL....You want it to be different because in your mind us little plane drivers aren't real airline pilots....

The glaring hypocracy here is amusing......

 

[JoeMerchant]

John, I've always said that the problem is a decentralization of power. And as I've told you before, Duane always said the same thing. Power needs to be concentrated at National to prevent these sorts of problems.

So again what are your solutions to this problem....I tend to agree with you....What do we do about it?

I personally don't think the elephent MEC's are willing to cede the power....

 

[luckytohaveajob]

Occam's airline is being merged with Delta.

Occam's airline is being ACQUIRED by Delta.

Justice. ALPA cheerleader finally tasting his own medicine.

Pratard could have made this proposed merger successful. He choose to not interfere. His decision is sure to make USAPA 2.0.

 

[PCL_128]

But Occam is pissed becaused the DAL MEC negotiated a deal without the NWA MEC....They were well within their "right" to do so....

The situation is EXACTLY the same.....NWA is being purchased by DAL.....ASA and CMR were purchased by DAL....You want it to be different because in your mind us little plane drivers aren't real airline pilots....

No, Joey, the situation is not the same. NWA is being purchased by DAL and being merged. ASA and CMR were purchased by DAL and were not merged.

 

[PCL_128]

So again what are your solutions to this problem....I tend to agree with you....What do we do about it?

I personally don't think the elephent MEC's are willing to cede the power....

The solution is to consolidate power in Herndon. The problem is exactly what you've stated: egotistical pilots will never cede any of their local power.

In the beginning days of the Association, Captain Behnke understood that the best way to organize the new union would be to centralize power, but he knew from discussions with his "Key Men" that individual pilot groups would not be happy with having power over their individual pilot group controlled by an outside entity. So, as a necessity to make the union a reality, he had to compromise and propose the system we have today of autonomous MECs. It wasn't so much of a problem during the days of regulation when things in the industry went much more smoothly, but deregulation has complicated things exponentially. Unfortunately, the solution to the problem is probably impossible to achieve. That means we have to try to muddle through and make the best of the current system. The result of that is less bargaining power and more disharmony between groups, but they bring it upon themselves by refusing to give up power to National. As always, pilots are their own worst enemies.

 

[JoeMerchant]

No, Joey, the situation is not the same. NWA is being purchased by DAL and being merged. ASA and CMR were purchased by DAL and were not merged.

But DALPA has modified their scope to allow DAL to operate NWA separately with the Delta brand and Delta code. In theory they could allow management to operate NWA separately for an indefinate period....That has some of you ALPA cheerleaders pissed now.....

That is the same situation....You just refuse to acknowledge that ALPA's failures in this arena have now come full circle to bite the elephents in the A$$.

 

[luckytohaveajob]

.....but deregulation has complicated things exponentially. Unfortunately, the solution to the problem is probably impossible to achieve. That means we have to try to muddle through and make the best of the current system. ......

No, the worst enemy of the pilots is a failed ALPA which can not function in regards to its members.

ALPA is not about Herdon. It is about the members. Herdon doesn't know it. ALPA doesn't doing it. And the members suffer.

Keep cheer leading for the failure. It establishes your credibility when you in your own words show the failings.

 

[PCL_128]

We don't know what the new DAL LOA language says yet. None of us have seen it.

 

[Morning Wood]

Ladies and Gentlemen

Whether this merger/buyout/acquisition/consolidation happens is up to NW and DL's board of directors and the US Government. Not NWALPA, not DLALPA, not John Prater. Do you honestly think that the executives, BOD's, or the government gives a rat's ass about your seniority, pay, or whether both pilot groups can play nice together?

 

[JoeMerchant]

We don't know what the new DAL LOA language says yet. None of us have seen it.

The NWA pilots have seen it. Even the DALPA publications say they modified the scope to operate NWA apart from DAL with the DAL code and brand.....

Face it....there is a double standard and it now being exposed for everyone to see.....

 

[PCL_128]

My understanding is that the LOA specifies a limited period of time for the operations to be conducted separately. But again, I haven't seen the language, so I don't know what the actual language says. In any case, the situation is not close to being analogous to a purchase of a feeder carrier that is not required to be merged according to the language in either CBA.