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Delta board meets this week; merger a likely topic

By RUSSELL GRANTHAM
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 04/01/08
When Delta Air Lines' board of directors holds a regular meeting starting Thursday, it's a good bet they'll be talking about Northwest Airlines' attempt to revive a proposed merger.
Delta's board is expected to meet Thursday and Friday, according to two people familiar with the matter.

The meeting comes about a week after Northwest suggested to Delta's management that the two carriers proceed with a merger pact, but offer fewer incentives to win support from pilots whose feud over seniority stalled an earlier deal.
Meanwhile, Pardus Capital Management, a hedge fund that has been pushing Delta to combine with another airline, told investors this week that it is freezing investor redemptions because of a steep decline in the value of its stock holdings.
The New York-based investment fund, which held 7 million Delta shares at year-end, turned up the heat on merger speculation around Delta last November when it urged the company to pursue a merger with United Airlines.
The fund, which has about $2 billion invested in a handful of stocks, including Delta and United, is down about 40 percent from its peak last year, according to a person with knowledge of its operations. He said the fund has not changed its investments in the airlines.
A Delta spokeswoman wouldn't verify Delta's planned board meeting or any developments in the on-again, off-again merger discussions, which began last fall.
However, industry analysts said Delta's board is almost certain to examine Northwest's latest proposal as the conditions in the industry have deteriorated.

"I'm sure they will. There's an offer," said Ray Neidl, a New York-based analyst with Calyon Securities. "I'm betting no deal without the pilots," he added, because Delta Chief Executive Richard Anderson told employees in late February that any merger would have to protect the seniority of employees.

"They've got a very good relationship with their pilots and they don't want to endanger that relationship," Neidl said.

Delta and Northwest, which never publicly confirmed they were in talks, came close to announcing a deal but it stalled while the pilots unions at the two carriers tried unsuccessfully to hammer out a related agreement on how to merge the two groups' seniority lists.

The airlines offered pilots pay raises and a stake in the merged companies if they worked out such differences ahead of time to avoid later delays or operational problems stemming from political and employee opposition. US Airways and America West did not get pre-merger agreements from their pilots before they combined in 2005. Today, those pilots still are working under separate seniority lists and contracts, weighing down operational integration.
Robert Mann, an aviation consultant in Port Washington, N.Y., said soaring jet fuel costs, a likely recession and a spreading credit crunch have given the airlines plenty of reasons to go back on such commitments and strike a new deal that doesn't give pilots a pay raise or other perks.
"Things change. The deal that looked rational at $95 [per barrel] fuel doesn't look so rational at $110," Mann said. He added that it's "very much in Northwest's interests" to proceed because the carrier's aging fleet gives it less flexibility to restructure its domestic network to offset worsening travel market conditions.



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Hey DTW319.........do you think Ray Neidl is lying?

"I'm sure they will. There's an offer," said Ray Neidl, a New York-based analyst with Calyon Securities. "I'm betting no deal without the pilots," he added, because Delta Chief Executive Richard Anderson told employees in late February that any merger would have to protect the seniority of employees.

"They've got a very good relationship with their pilots and they don't want to endanger that relationship," Neidl said.



Detoilet319,

So, Neidl continually says stuff like above. Is he just lying? Maybe he really doesn't know what is going on, right? It is all fluff...... Heck, he is joking.... We'll see I guess. Even Mike Boyd says Anderson is trustworthy. I guess he is bound to show us otherwise. We already know Steenland's true colors.



And can anyone tell me what this means? Could it mean anything about the DC9s? Anyone? Buehler?

He added that it's "very much in Northwest's interests" to proceed because the carrier's aging fleet gives it less flexibility to restructure its domestic network to offset worsening travel market conditions.


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General, you know I love ya, but this trust you have for someone in management is bizarre at best. Haven't you learned better than that by now? Anderson is probably one of the least scumbag-like CEOs in aviation, but he's still management. He can't be trusted. If he finds a way out of his previous statements, then he'll take it, and I can see several different ways he could go about it. Don't put blind faith in a member of management.
 
General, you know I love ya, but this trust you have for someone in management is bizarre at best. Haven't you learned better than that by now? Anderson is probably one of the least scumbag-like CEOs in aviation, but he's still management. He can't be trusted. If he finds a way out of his previous statements, then he'll take it, and I can see several different ways he could go about it. Don't put blind faith in a member of management.

I actually agree with you somewhat. However, Anderson, if he is indeed a smart dude, understands that the airline biz is a service business, and screwing the pilots over after you make promises does not bode well for long-term relations. Remember that Anderson agreed to bypass his big merger-related bonus (unlike that greedy jerk Steeland). True, Anderson could balk and eventually just blame the board of directors, but ill-will with the most powerful labor group can burn you big time. Everyone knows what happened at AWA/USAirways with its arbitration situation - that debacle has stained its performance and constrained its flexibility for many years to come - who wants that mess?

Southwest management has GREAT relations with his pilots (at least relative to other airlines) and that creates flexibility and improved performance - Anderson would be smart to remember that. Who knows what will happen?
 
I actually agree with you somewhat. However, Anderson, if he is indeed a smart dude, understands that the airline biz is a service business, and screwing the pilots over after you make promises does not bode well for long-term relations. Remember that Anderson agreed to bypass his big merger-related bonus (unlike that greedy jerk Steeland). True, Anderson could balk and eventually just blame the board of directors, but ill-will with the most powerful labor group can burn you big time.

Southwest management has GREAT relations with his pilots (at least relative to other airlines) and that creates flexibility and improved performance - Anderson would be smart to remember that. Who knows what will happen?

Anderson will show his ture colors when the time is right. I'm sure it will something to the effect of "I need another 25% boys or it's back to Ch 11. We just aren't making money selling seats from ATL to ORD at $79. This is our last option."

I'm putting my money on this being the case by Christmas.
 
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I respectfully disagree.

We'll see. I hope you are right. USA Today did an article last week and their analyst from JP Morgan said that at $100/bbl Delta would lose close to $600 million this year. Domestically, to keep up with the likes of Air Tran, you are going to have to cut costs. Oil is a fixed price. The mgt knows that one of the few places that they can go and tap is labor. They've gone to this well before.
 
We'll see. I hope you are right. USA Today did an article last week and their analyst from JP Morgan said that at $100/bbl Delta would lose close to $600 million this year. Domestically, to keep up with the likes of Air Tran, you are going to have to cut costs. Oil is a fixed price. The mgt knows that one of the few places that they can go and tap is labor. They've gone to this well before.

Unfortunately, I have to disagree with you. Oil is not fixed but fluctuates, is hedged and will not sit at 100/barrel. If there is no recession then I'm guessing oil will be between 115-110. In that case Delta will probably go Chpt 11 and merge. There is no bringing down employee costs at this point. No way.

I hate to say it but Delta and everyone else in their shoes should be hoping for a recession and 85/barrell (or less). While it might mean forloughs I believe it is in their best interest.

No paycuts are going to happen. The pay will stay or the company is going under.
 
General, you know I love ya, but this trust you have for someone in management is bizarre at best. Haven't you learned better than that by now? Anderson is probably one of the least scumbag-like CEOs in aviation, but he's still management. He can't be trusted. If he finds a way out of his previous statements, then he'll take it, and I can see several different ways he could go about it. Don't put blind faith in a member of management.

I didn't say Anderson was the savior of our industry, but he at least appears to be an "airline guy" (compared to the banker Leo Mullin and the M&A specialist Jerry Grinstein). He understands what is at stake. Will he keep his word and sing kumb by ya with us near the campfire? Probably not. Is he full of rage and only looking for a quick buck like another airline CEO we all know? Probably not. I am cautiously optimistic that he will be a good leader, if not a fair one. I don't think he will try to rape us and then laugh all the way to the bank. Yes, yes I know he was one of Lorenzo's boys, but maybe he prove every naysayer wrong. We shall see I guess....


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I have read the 600 million loss for DAL for FY 08 as well. Our President has also come out and stated that just because we are cutting capacity does not mean that we will loose money this year. He stated that there is still a possibility of a 100-190 million dollar profit for the year.
I see that hard to believe, but I will say this. We have had some decent fare increases over the last six month or so. The last two did not stick. (5 and 20 dollar fare increases made last week) We are also tacking on charges to everything that we offer. People and bags. Those bring in revenue. ( I got nailed for my wife's checked bag because it was less than a half a pound over. It cost me 100 bucks)
You ask how they could charge an employee. Well there is no love lost for pilots, and they have incentives to nail everyone for every charge they can.
Speaking of extras. I have been doing flights where we are offering food for sale. All of them have grossed over 1700 dollars per segment. Now that pays for almost all of the costs related to a 767 crew on a five hr flight.
My point to this is that there are many expenses that DAL and the other network carriers are charging that JP Morgan or the others cannot account for. Why? Well they have not been filed in a 8 or 10 K yet. These are new and will show up for the second quarter of this year.
Passenger traffic has not slowed either. People are finally getting used to the idea that fares are no longer cheap. With oil where it is and what they are paying for everything else it is only common sense that they will pay more for us.
What needs to happen is what is happening. Lots of smaller carriers are going to be taken out of the game in the near term. In the long term (if oil stays where it is) a big player will be taken out. It is my belief that if any of us enters bankruptcy we will not come out. The game is up. The creditors know it, management knows it and we better know it as well.
 
I have read the 600 million loss for DAL for FY 08 as well. Our President has also come out and stated that just because we are cutting capacity does not mean that we will loose money this year. He stated that there is still a possibility of a 100-190 million dollar profit for the year.
I see that hard to believe, but I will say this. We have had some decent fare increases over the last six month or so. The last two did not stick. (5 and 20 dollar fare increases made last week) We are also tacking on charges to everything that we offer. People and bags. Those bring in revenue. ( I got nailed for my wife's checked bag because it was less than a half a pound over. It cost me 100 bucks)
You ask how they could charge an employee. Well there is no love lost for pilots, and they have incentives to nail everyone for every charge they can.
Speaking of extras. I have been doing flights where we are offering food for sale. All of them have grossed over 1700 dollars per segment. Now that pays for almost all of the costs related to a 767 crew on a five hr flight.
My point to this is that there are many expenses that DAL and the other network carriers are charging that JP Morgan or the others cannot account for. Why? Well they have not been filed in a 8 or 10 K yet. These are new and will show up for the second quarter of this year.
Passenger traffic has not slowed either. People are finally getting used to the idea that fares are no longer cheap. With oil where it is and what they are paying for everything else it is only common sense that they will pay more for us.
What needs to happen is what is happening. Lots of smaller carriers are going to be taken out of the game in the near term. In the long term (if oil stays where it is) a big player will be taken out. It is my belief that if any of us enters bankruptcy we will not come out. The game is up. The creditors know it, management knows it and we better know it as well.

How do you know how much revenue you make on a flight?

That bag thing is indefensible, btw. Don't even try.
 

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