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Avi8tor2000

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Ok, here's another "what would you do" situation:

Currently in top 15% at Republic, on the 170, with a highly commutable schedule. W2'd just over $85k in 2007. Job offer received by UAL.

Mid 20s, single, no degree.

I'm thinking it would pretty much be a guaranteed furlough soon after class with the prices of fuel, age 60, mergers, etc. (And it might be a very long one at that...)

Would you?
 
Remember what UAL did with their furloughees.
Our airline hired about 150 of them, so they flew during their off period. Great group!
 
How much turbine PIC do you have? I'd get working on that degree ASAP. Look at the schools that offer the degree online such as UVSC.
 
he's top 15% at RAH, TPIC is not the issue. Are they offering a class date? Try to defer it, this whole superfreak these past few weeks in regards to oil could dramatically reverse itself soon. They haven't hired that many people yet, and they were understaffed. I'd go go go. Live in base. Seniority rules. Be top 100 in the company for the last 10 years you work there!

Unless you want to be a lifer.
 
I'd go for it. The worst that's gonna happen is you get furloughed, like someone else already mentioned UAL got jobs for their furloughed guys after 9/11
 
Go. You got the job offer without the degree. Get on the list. If you're in your mid 20's the earning potential between the two companies doesn't even compare, even with a furlough.
 
From a 10 year XJT lifer, I'd say go. You're to young to stay at RJET, if you're gonna stay in this career, GO to UAL!
 
You're in the top 15% and are in your mid 20's now ? Were you a fetus when you were hired ? I'm actually closer to the top ten percent,and most of the 300'S are 2001-2002 hires.How does one manage a job offer from UAL with no degree when I'm sure they have literally thousands of apps on file ? Inquiring minds want to know.
 
What has happened with the hiring practices at the majors? You do not have a degree? Well, at least you can push up those thrust levers with your right hand as well as your left hand.

I would have never guessed that going to college would hurt my chances with getting on at a major. I could have saved myself four years of tuition and made more money by upgrading years ago. What was I thinking?

To answer your question directly, if you even have to think about this decision you deserve to stay at Republic.
 
Avi8tor2000 said:
Ok, here's another "what would you do" situation:

Currently in top 15% at Republic, on the 170, with a highly commutable schedule. W2'd just over $85k in 2007. Job offer received by UAL.

Mid 20s, single, no degree.

I'm thinking it would pretty much be a guaranteed furlough soon after class with the prices of fuel, age 60, mergers, etc. (And it might be a very long one at that...)

Would you?
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This can not be a serious question can it? You are in your mid 20s and you are considering being a RAH lifer?? Take the UAL job, if they furlough go fly 135 for a while, and wait to be recalled. Dont even consider not taking the next class offered.
 
rf285 said:
Go to UAL! You're in your mid 20s and considering being a lifer? Are you on the company crack?
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I couldn't have said it any better!! To the original poster, dont be a moron. Go to UAL. I am in my mid 20's left a "good" regional capt. job for NWA and haven't looked back. You have 30+ years left in this industry, GO!
 
United Air parent to shrink fleet to conserve fuel

Tue Mar 18, 2008 10:25am EDT
CHICAGO (Reuters) - UAL Corp (UAUA.O: Quote, Profile, Research), parent of United Airlines, will shrink its fleet by up to 4 percent this year to combat the skyrocketing cost of jet fuel, the chief executive of the No. 2 U.S. carrier said on Tuesday.
In a message to employees, Glenn Tilton said the airline aims to eliminate 15 to 20 of its older, less fuel efficient narrow-body planes. United's fleet currently has 460 aircraft.
The airline industry has been battered by rising fuel costs, which are directly linked to the price of oil. A barrel of crude touched a record high on Monday of $111.80 CLc1.
"Continued uncertainty about the overall U.S. economy with the price of fuel at historically high levels has put significant pressure on all U.S. carriers," Tilton said.
United and other airlines have attempted to offset the fuel burden with fuel surcharges, fare hikes and charging for services that previously were including in the fare. But some experts say airlines may find it harder to pass the expense to travelers if a weaker economy erodes travel demand.
The fleet reduction is part of a broader effort to offset a possible $1 billion increase in fuel costs in 2008, UAL's Chief Financial Officer Jake Brace said in a statement earlier on Tuesday.
The airline currently has 20 percent of its anticipated 2008 fuel requirements hedged, Brace said. That's up from 16 percent as reported in previous regulatory filings.
Shares of UAL were up 30 cents at $21.21 on Nasdaq.
(Reporting by Kyle Peterson; Editing by Derek Caney)

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Go to UAL. How did you get hired without the degree, BTW?
 
Thank you all for wonderfully proving my point. I started this thread to prove a point to a friend outside of the industry who was wondering why one would leave a high-paying job (and yes, $85k a year is high paying in your mid 20s no matter what your opinion of RAH may be) where I only have to work half the month. No matter how much explaining I did, there was no convincing. Looking at it from someone who has not been entirely jaded by this industry put an interesting perspective on the situation. Thanks again.

BTW...My choice has been made, you can let this thread gracefully die now.
 
Avi8tor2000 said:
Thank you all for wonderfully proving my point. I started this thread to prove a point to a friend outside of the industry who was wondering why one would leave a high-paying job (and yes, $85k a year is high paying in your mid 20s no matter what your opinion of RAH may be) where I only have to work half the month. No matter how much explaining I did, there was no convincing. Looking at it from someone who has not been entirely jaded by this industry put an interesting perspective on the situation. Thanks again.

BTW...My choice has been made, you can let this thread gracefully die now.
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Regardless of your choice, you are a moron if you don't finish a degree in the near term...
 
nimtz said:
Regardless of your choice, you are a moron if you don't finish a degree in the near term...
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Regardless of his choice, he's now working for a legacy carrier.

If he's furloughed, all a degree will do is guarantee him getting a JOB. Istead of flying airplanes for a living.

When people make this statement I gringe. Aquiring a degree for pesonal enhancment (or proper writting and spelling skills)...maybe. Because someone says you have to...NO WAY!
 
Given UAL's decision to ground airplanes, I presume you will elect to stay at RAH. That would be the correct decision.
 
We're parking 3% of our fleet and have newhire classes in the works with no plans to furlough, and basically zero mandatory retirements. If UAL parks 4% of their fleet, I don't see how that would result in massive if any furloughs (see the thread in the Majors section)

Do not pass Go, do not collect $200, proceed with all despatch to your UAL class. It's for the children.
 
My advice is to take a chance with United. Eventually flying the world vs. flying the East Coast and the Midwest forever or until our contracts are not renewed and then going to United. Significantly more pay over the course of your career. You will also have the opportunity to stay in hotels downtown from time to time, making overnights enjoyable instead of something to endure. The opportunity to learn new aircraft. Seems like an easy decision to me.
 
How much longer can UAL remain solo? It's gonna merge with somebody or sell itself off in pieces. If it merges, you have no guarantee that you'll survive the process if you are at the bottom. I think it is a dicey move, Maverick. There are better airlines out there than UAL - no doubt. I'd look at the fractionals as well - especially Netjets.
 
Worst case is a furlough for a few years. You'd be recalled at the age of 30 with 35 years left at a legacy.
 

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