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Southwest Repairs 4 Planes for Cracks
By DAVID KOENIG, AP
3 hours ago

DALLAS — Four of the planes that Southwest Airlines Co. grounded for inspections this week were found to have cracks in their fuselages and were undergoing repair, the company said Thursday.

A Southwest spokeswoman said the planes were expected to be ready to fly again by the weekend.

Southwest canceled about 4 percent of its flights Wednesday after deciding to perform new inspections on 43 Boeing jets, including 38 that had been carrying passengers Tuesday.

Southwest spokesman Whitney Eichinger said 34 planes had been returned to service as of Thursday, when the airline returned to a regular schedule.

Eichinger said the airline also inspected five other planes that had been undergoing unrelated maintenance Tuesday when the decision to conduct a new round of inspections was made. No cracks were found on those jets, she said.

The company offered no other details on the repair work.

The repair of four planes was the latest development in the airline's struggle to comply with safety directives issued by the Federal Aviation Administration and instructions from Boeing Co. The latest round of groundings occurred after Southwest decided it couldn't tell whether it had followed Boeing's steps for visual and mechanical inspections of the skin of the aircraft.

Last week, the FAA announced a $10.2 million penalty against Southwest for missing inspections on 46 planes last year and continuing to fly the planes after realizing that they had not been properly examined for structural soundness.

Southwest officials have said that six planes were repaired for cracks last year.

The events have raised questions about Southwest's maintenance program and the FAA's ability to regulate carriers. Both have come under fire from members of Congress.

Eichinger, the airline spokeswoman, said the events did not seem to be affecting ticket sales on Southwest, which carries more domestic passengers than any other U.S. airline.

"We are continuing to see strong bookings," she said. "We've had questions from our customers ... but there hasn't been any noticeable drop in bookings."

Southwest has said it is conducting an internal investigation into why it failed to perform inspections that were required under a 2004 FAA order called an airworthiness directive. It also suspended three employees with pay.

Dallas-based Southwest has said it will appeal the FAA penalty, the largest ever imposed by the agency. Chief Executive Gary Kelly said Southwest, which has a fleet of more than 500 Boeing 737 jets, is a safe carrier.

Southwest shares rose 21 cents, or 1.8 percent, to $11.70 Thursday after falling 7.3 percent Wednesday.
 
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HERE come the SWA ""dont you bash my company folk to the rescue"" what the heck they take it so personal.....
 
There will be a crack found in every airplane VIXIN flys... if you get what i saying hhahahahhaha

You really are an idiot!! I bet that microsoft2000 sim is a challenge for you. Now get off daddies computer and go to bed Jr.
 
VIXIN you stay on your computer and keep checking SWA life for trips to pick up.....im going for a beer in Germany tonight....you have fun in lubbock. in your light twin.............
 
HERE come the SWA ""dont you bash my company folk to the rescue"" what the heck they take it so personal.....

http://forums.jetcareers.com/general-topics/25160-fedex-plane-goes-off-runway-at-msp.html

http://www.wmcstations.com/Global/story.asp?S=5210979 (pay attention to last two paragraphs)

Just saying that stuff happens at our companies that isn't great, but why is everyone here so quick to try to shoot the other airline off their saddle?
We all have big airlines. Most of us don't have any say-so in our company's future other than bidding our monthly schedule.

United takes a Bus off a runway nearly destroying it last week, CAL forgot to stay on another runway last week, other Major's had significient problems in the last few weeks. What is the motivation to bring us down?
 
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United takes a Bus off a runway nearly destroying it last week, CAL forgot to stay on another runway last week, other Major's had significient problems in the last few weeks. What is the motivation to bring us down?

The guy just posted an updated article indicating that cracks were found on 4 aircraft. He made no comment on 'bringing you down.' In fact, he made no comments at all. Talk about thin skinned.

I'm starting to think that it isn't kool aid that they put in the water at Southwest; it's progesterone.
 
What is the motivation to bring us down?

because you're the sanctimonious SOBs that always bash other airlines with an air of irritating smugness about you.

nothing gives greater pleasure than to rub a militant SWA guy's nose in this disgusting example of what integrity is NOT.

get off your high horse and down into the mud. it's where you belong, hypocrites.
 
because you're the sanctimonious SOBs that always bash other airlines with an air of irritating smugness about you.

nothing gives greater pleasure than to rub a militant SWA guy's nose in this disgusting example of what integrity is NOT.

get off your high horse and down into the mud. it's where you belong, hypocrites.

I think my Wife would suggest some midol and a hot water bottle for you...obviously it's your "time of the month". Say hi to aunt flo for me you cranky bi*tch.
 
because you're the sanctimonious SOBs that always bash other airlines with an air of irritating smugness about you.

nothing gives greater pleasure than to rub a militant SWA guy's nose in this disgusting example of what integrity is NOT.

get off your high horse and down into the mud. it's where you belong, hypocrites.

Oh crap. I actually just found myself agreeing with jke406. This puts me in an awkward position.

On the one hand, I want to point out that, while the legacy carriers were slogging through hard times, there were many SWA guys on this board reveling in smug satisfaction about how they were at the top of the dogpile. Karma's a bitch, and the baser part of me enjoys watching you squirm a little bit now that you've ever so slightly been knocked off your high horse. Petty? Yes. Human nature? Yes. Beneath me? Should be, but... no.

On the other hand, part of me wants to suggest to the board at large that jke406 is an amalgam of every outspoken regional guy who ever posted on the major board. Sure, we have Pocono, who got turned down by Continental and never misses an opportunity to bash people who actually got a chance to make the move. Sure, we have Tanker Clown who, secretly, really really REALLY wanted to work for Delta. But, let's face it. It's very difficult to keep up with so many different negative posts. Lucky for us, we have jke406. Now we don't have to read multiple posts from multiple people turned down for multiple jobs. Lucky us! Now we can just read posts from one guy... Mr. jke406... who was lucky enough to be turned down by every major out there and can provide us with all of the regional angst rolled up into one "easy to ingore" user name. Then again, there's the other possibility.... a 350 lb. acne-ridden teenager who spends his life trolling internet message boards trying to be a pain in the butt while ignoring the ever increasing calls from upstairs.. "Honey, it's time for dinner!!..." ;"Snookems, it's past your bedtime..."; "Dearest, it's time to get off the computer and let Mommy help brush your teeth..."; etc, etc, etc. How does a 19 year old acne-ridden virginal computer dweeb actually get so angry about the real word anyway?

I'm so torn.... so conflicted....

ps. on the "pro jke406" side of the equation... perhaps it's my imagination, but I seem to have heard a lot more SWA guys asking for ride reports over the last few days. What's the matter, guys? Management and the FAA seem to think it's all gonna be OK, so why worry about a few cracks in the fuselage??? A hard bump or two won't make a difference, right?.... Right????
 
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The guy just posted an updated article indicating that cracks were found on 4 aircraft. He made no comment on 'bringing you down.' In fact, he made no comments at all. Talk about thin skinned.

I'm starting to think that it isn't kool aid that they put in the water at Southwest; it's progesterone.

Well said Andy. Don't you find it ironic that a swa pilot would dig up an article about another airline sliding off a runway?!

737
 
How pathetic, overnight in Germany and here u sit on FI. Could you not HAVE done that in LBB idiot and not have to deal with the time zones?
 
How pathetic, overnight in Germany and here u sit on FI. Could you not HAVE done that in LBB idiot and not have to deal with the time zones?

I'm sorry, I don't speak retardese. Can someone else please translate for this poor autistic person?

737
 
I thought this thread was about the cracks we kick off our planes. They're on Dr Phil today getting thier 15 min of fame. Playboy spread to follow. BTW, they have good German beer in LBB.
 
Pressure

With the pressure that is out there at all airlines to keep them flying and the pressure on all of our livelihoods in the current economic environment - Does anyone really think this or something similar could not or does not occur at their airline?

All I know is that Kharma - she is a real biatch.
 
Maybe the cracks came from excessive taxi speeds ...

Just kidding.
 
The guy just posted an updated article indicating that cracks were found on 4 aircraft. He made no comment on 'bringing you down.' In fact, he made no comments at all. Talk about thin skinned.

I'm starting to think that it isn't kool aid that they put in the water at Southwest; it's progesterone.


Too Funny!
 
Air Kevorkian?

Said John J. Tormey III, Esq., attorney and Quiet Rockland co-founder: "The persons that should be flying Southwest at this point, should be only those referred by Doctor Kevorkian. Although the depraved Southwest spin-machine audaciously 'assures' us Southwest's four (4) cracked-fuselage aircraft were "never a safety problem", Southwest should tell that to the victims of the 1988 Aloha Airlines disaster. There, metal fatigue on an aging Boeing 737 caused 18 feet of fuselage to be ripped off the plane causing grievous injuries and loss of life."

"Quiet Rockland asks and encourages those Southwest employees tired of subscribing to their company's tombstone culture, to leave their sinking airship now to find other and better employ at a responsible airline that actually acknowledges the dignity of the individual human traveler. We further ask every American consumer to now act in solidarity - cancel all flights and other business with Southwest - boycott the airline which we today re-name "Air Kevorkian" - and just say "No" to Southwest, to FAA, and to the greed of the aeromercantile complex that continually and habitually puts profits over people's lives. And, as to Southwest stockholders? Vote your conscience".

Gee, do you think this group is a little pissed?:laugh:



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Said John J. Tormey III, Esq., attorney and Quiet Rockland co-founder: "The persons that should be flying Southwest at this point, should be only those referred by Doctor Kevorkian. Although the depraved Southwest spin-machine audaciously 'assures' us Southwest's four (4) cracked-fuselage aircraft were "never a safety problem", Southwest should tell that to the victims of the 1988 Aloha Airlines disaster. There, metal fatigue on an aging Boeing 737 caused 18 feet of fuselage to be ripped off the plane causing grievous injuries and loss of life."

"Quiet Rockland asks and encourages those Southwest employees tired of subscribing to their company's tombstone culture, to leave their sinking airship now to find other and better employ at a responsible airline that actually acknowledges the dignity of the individual human traveler. We further ask every American consumer to now act in solidarity - cancel all flights and other business with Southwest - boycott the airline which we today re-name "Air Kevorkian" - and just say "No" to Southwest, to FAA, and to the greed of the aeromercantile complex that continually and habitually puts profits over people's lives. And, as to Southwest stockholders? Vote your conscience".

Gee, do you think this group is a little pissed?:laugh:



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I'll still update my online application at SWA on a very regular basis despite what an "attorney" thinks about the company.
Money talks and SWA makes it......
 
Just saying that stuff happens at our companies that isn't great, but why is everyone here so quick to try to shoot the other airline off their saddle?

Because many of the Southwest recent incidents/accidents have been attibutable to a culture of a get'r'done attitude that flies in the face of safety. You talked about Delta's L-1011 and windshear.... that accident caused an entire industry to change and it wasn't brushed aside which IMHO seems to happen within hours of anything SWA related (good on your media people, but what's that doing for aviation safety?)

What kind of culture? Here's just a few snipets from the NTSB database:

Contributing to the accident were Southwest Airline's 1) failure to provide its pilots with clear and consistent guidance and training regarding company policies and procedures related to arrival landing distance calculations; 2) programming and design of its onboard performance computer, which did not present inherent assumptions in the program critical to pilot decision making; 3) plan to implement new autobrake procedures without a familiarization period; and 4) failure to include a margin of safety in the arrival assessment to account for operational uncertainties. Also contributing to the accident was the pilots' failure to divert to another airport given reports that included poor braking action and a tailwind component greater than 5 knots.

The pushback tow driver not maintaining visual lookout for the wing walker's visual signal, and the driver not maintaining clearance from the vehicle during the pushback for taxi. Factors to the accident were the standing vehicle behind the airplane, the inadequate group/crew coordination for the pushback, and the lack of guidance in the company's manuals to stop the tow when visual lookout is not maintained.

Contributing to the accident was the flight crew's decision to continue the approach and to land with a thunderstorm (with associated gusty and variable winds) reported at the airport and the heavy rain, which reduced the flight crew's visibility on short final.

the pilot's misjudgment of distance, which resulted in a runway overrun

the flight crew's excessive airspeed and flightpath angle during the approach and landing and its failure to abort the approach when stabilized approach criteria were not met

the captain's improper rejected takeoff, in that the takeoff was rejected after V1, and the flight attendants' improper use of the evacuation procedure, in that an evacuation was independently initiated without the captain's approval, and without assessing the condition and location of the fire. Factors related to the accident were: bird ingestion in the left engine near lift-off speed during the takeoff roll, and company's inadequate Crew Resource Management (CRM) training for flight attendants.

Now I'm sure you're going to think I'm somehow wronging you personally but I'm not. All I'm saying is that it seems like a good percentage of SWA issues are related to the corporate culture. Delta went through a bunch of corporate safety related issues in the mid 90's and things actually changed. Here's to hoping the same thing happens at SWA.....
 
Leaving whose airline sucks the most out of it for a minute, what really happened?

Was there an AD that was ignored by mistake? Or was this inspection something that was recommended but not required?

I just can't believe that someone at any major airline made a conscious decision to ignore a required inspection.

Was there a rogue employee pencil whipping the inspections?
 
I believe that, on the outside, the focus appears to be not entirely focused on safety. It will be interesting to see if that apparent culture is a contributing factor in these missed inspections.

Here's a major gripe of mine regarding KOAK - maybe a Southwest guy can explain this.

Rwy 29 is 10,000' with water at or near both ends of the runway. Each of the past 4 times I've been in OAK, various Southwest aircraft request intersection "U" for departure in order to get out ahead of other aircraft. Why would you voluntarily give away 3000' of good runway to save a minute or two.

Using intersection "U" -

Is it safe? Probably

Is it legal? Probably

If you had a high speed abort and went off the end, where do you think the scrutiny or the media and the feds would fall - especially considering you voluntarily shortened the pavement by 30% to save time???
 

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