Citation Shares, what would you change?

[7777]

I am curious to learn more about Citation Shares. I would like to get input from those working there. If you could change 3 things about the company, what would they be?

I am thinking along the lines of things that affect the pilots.....domiciles, schedules, aircraft, ect..

I am military and preparing to retire and have really never heard anyone say any bad stuff about this company and wanted to know if it was that good or if they (those working for the company) are just that happy and content and don't really feel the need to toot that horn....lol.

NETJETS PILOTS...THANKS FOR EVERYTHING!

Please don't post your NetJets info. in here. THANK YOU

 

[jonjuan]

How about asking about profitability and things such as net aircraft growth. If anything, this will have to do with current and future QOL. Word on the street is that O'Neill is looking for an exit strategy.

 

[7777]

Jonjuan,

Do you work for CS?

 

[SKYLAWYER]

How about asking about profitability and things such as net aircraft growth. If anything, this will have to do with current and future QOL. Word on the street is that O'Neill is looking for an exit strategy.

O'Neill no longer owns CS so his only exit strategy would be jumping out of his office window.

 

[SKYLAWYER]

Three things I would change are the vacation policy, the lack of paid time off, and the competence of our support staff. The first two are under the radar of mgmt and will be addressed in the future. One thing everyone at CS can agree on is when the company says they will change something in the future they usually do.

 

[7777]

Skylawyer,

Thanks for the reply. The last one has me wondering a bit. People are dropping the ball? Do you want to get a bit more in depth for those of us on the outside looking in and possibly working there in the future? Thanks

Also, any talk of opening up the drive time requirement between a persons house and their domicile airport? I think the flood gates would open up with applicants if you eliminated or stretched the requirement out further. Just a thought.

Thanks again for the reply.

 

[SKYLAWYER]

Every fractional will argue that scheduling, owner services, and dispatch could do a much better job. Sometimes they appear to be more reactive than pro-active and this causes frustration on the part of the crew-members. Sometimes they badly drop the ball. Most times however, they just slightly raise your blood pressure and either add more grays or remove the little bit of hair you have remaining.

 

[7777]

ROFL, great reply! Thanks

 

[flagshipper]

The 2 hour drive time rule is not a CS rule. Our FAA POI has for some reason created this rule citing safety of course. Could CS fight to get rid of it? Yeah maybe but they won't. They really believe that they offer some overall better package than NJ and that will lure applicants and if they want to work here bad enough they will move. A little naive.

 

[Guitar Guy]

The POI created the rule? That's the first time I've heard that. I wonder what his grounds were for that decision considering that no other frax has such a limit placed upon their operations.

 

[7777]

FAA POI? Is that the FAA Pilot Operating Instruction? What is it? Why wouldn't it just be an FAA reg?

Again fellas, I am military and unfamiliar with this stuff. We have our military regulations that govern our operations. Thanks for the help.

 

[CA1900]

FAA POI? Is that the FAA Pilot Operating Instruction? What is it? Why wouldn't it just be an FAA reg?

Principal Operating Inspector -- basically the "go-to guy" from the FAA that an airline deals with. Sadly, his word is basically "law," and creates some real inconsistencies in the industry.

 

[7777]

I am guessing it is a restriction imposed due to the crew duty day and the potential safety issues of driving beyond 2 hours after a tour?

I know for a fact that Citation Shares is losing some very good potential applicants because of this rule. I have spoken about the fractionals to many of my military friends and they ALWAYS mention this as a limiting factor and then go straight to a conversation about NetJets and their 100 bases.

If they would work this requirement or eliminate it all together and just keep the domiciles they have, it would be a HUGE step in bringing in quality applicants to the company.

I know they don't want to grow as big as NetJets but it would allow them to be a bit more selective in who they hired due to the number of applicants it would attract. Out of a group of 20 or so applicants, you would probably always be able to get atleast 2 that are very qualified and would work well in meeting the company goals.

I suspect there is more to it than this. I really don't know because I am on the outside looking in. It just seems to be that obvious to me.

 

[Guitar Guy]

I am guessing it is a restriction imposed due to the crew duty day and the potential safety issues of driving beyond 2 hours after a tour?

I don't think the POI, if this story is correct, is concerned about someone driving AFTER a tour but rather before. However, unless a company would have someone actually start duty at home, then the FAR's do not require that the drive to work be considered part of the duty day itself.

 

[Busflyer]

I don't think the POI, if this story is correct, is concerned about someone driving AFTER a tour but rather before. However, unless a company would have someone actually start duty at home, then the FAR's do not require that the drive to work be considered part of the duty day itself.

Don't know if the POI had anything to do with it but I do believe Guitar Guy is right, this is the concern....your duty day (possibly 14 hours) starts when you get to your base, now the pilot has chosen to drive 4+ hours before this and you have one worn out unhappy pilot at the end of day one. Not saying they shouldn't get rid of this rule but I do see the reasoning.