Delta-Northwest Deal at Risk

[Cessna340]

General,

The 767 is outdated, I think it came out in 1974 when fuel was $.50/gallon. Boeing doesn't even make them any more. They will be going to beer cans as soon as they can be replaced by a more efficient bird.

What is DAL going to replace them with? Are there any orders for new widebody replacements.

All I see at DAL is a handful of new fuel efficient 777's.

My point is NWA 's widebody fleet is newer and more fuel efficient than DAL's. The 767's are fuel thirsty old birds and will have to be replaced. Is DAL replacing them with smaller aircraft ? If not then what can we expect in future fleet plans.

NWA already has a widebody fleet plan, what is Delta's?

The 787 will replace the 767s at DAL. You seem to think the the only 787's in the world are coming to NWA. There are leasing company's with orders that will go to yet named airlines. Yes the wait for new orders is long, but our 767's have many years left in them. Delta can wait 8 years for 787's with out NWA. Actually, I doubt that the shorter range model you have on order is even the one delta wants. By far my concern is the heap of 9s on their way to the desert and the cargo op that is shutting down. That is huge in comparison to a handful of firm 78 orders...

 

[ACL65PILOT]

The 767 and 757 are currently not being produced, but if they get the KC version approved, I will guarantee that they will find space to open another production line.
Retro fit the engines and avionics and the thing could fly for 30 more years.

 

[Diesel-9]

Here we go again. Have an acquaintance working in the division. Studying the info/ranges of a/c to help decide replacement order. Talk of the 767 STC mods to add lift from CVG and DTW. Lots of good jobs! SMILE!http://www.aircargoworld.com/regions/northam_0108.htm

 

[IronCityBlue]

So now seniority integration goes by orders and options not on property, as well as by fuel efficiency (including airplanes not yet on property)! That's some funny schizzle!

 

[filejw]

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[B737 Guy]

Our MD88 pays more than your A320 and A319, and should be placed above your mini-busses, right? Our MD90s pay more than our MD88s too.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Statements like this are what makes you the biggest horses ass on this forum.

Its no wonder why everyone on this forum thinks all Delta guys are pricks. Too bad the unsilent minority (YOU) can't just STFU!

 

[FO 4 Life]

The 767 and 757 are currently not being produced, but if they get the KC version approved, I will guarantee that they will find space to open another production line.
Retro fit the engines and avionics and the thing could fly for 30 more years.

SEATTLE, Feb. 15, 2007 -- The Boeing Company [NYSE: BA] today confirmed an order by UPS, the world's largest package delivery company, for 27 Boeing 767-300 Freighters -- an order, when all are delivered, that will nearly double the UPS 767 Freighter fleet.

The 27 new airplanes are slated for delivery beginning in 2009, extending into 2012.

 

[ExAF]

Just Jump Right In

Our MD88 pays more than your A320 and A319, and should be placed above your mini-busses, right? Our MD90s pay more than our MD88s too.


Bye Bye--General Lee

As usual, a day late and a few marbles short. Just jump right in the middle of a thought when you have no clue about what has transpired. The whole point was the A319 should not be grouped with the DC9s (both NWA). Had nothing to do with DAL and your pay rates at all. I've not made one comment about integration or who's Johnson is larger. I'm secure enough in my manhood that I don't care to participate in the "who's is bigger" fight. I'm just as proud of the fact that I have a very low post # as you are of your record setting #. Leave me out of your sword fight. I'm waiting to hear what the MEC and the companies say since they are the only ones that really know what is going on and actually have a say in the process.

 

[ExAF]

Don't Worry

Statements like this are what makes you the biggest horses ass on this forum.

Its no wonder why everyone on this forum thinks all Delta guys are pricks. Too bad the unsilent minority (YOU) can't just STFU!

Don't Worry...Be Happy. I have a lot of friends at DAL and they are really good guys. Everyone know that GL is a complete horses ass and not representative of the DAL pilot group as a whole. The only reason he isn't on ignore is for the entertainment value he provides.

 

[General Lee]

Statements like this are what makes you the biggest horses ass on this forum.

Its no wonder why everyone on this forum thinks all Delta guys are pricks. Too bad the unsilent minority (YOU) can't just STFU!

Thanks Paula Abdul. You must still be drinking...

I DO NOT REPRESENT ALL DELTA PILOTS. Thanks for elevating me to GOD status, though. If that is true, you are now going to heck!


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Don't Worry...Be Happy. I have a lot of friends at DAL and they are really good guys. Everyone know that GL is a complete horses ass and not representative of the DAL pilot group as a whole. The only reason he isn't on ignore is for the entertainment value he provides.

If anyone expects confidential info from me, then they will be upset. I post articles and like to debate the issues, that's it. I like the banter, and I ENJOY THIS FORUM. A lot of people don't like it when other people enjoy things. You can continue to call me a horses ass, I don't care, but guys like you are unhappy and bitter. But hey, I bet you have some great F-4 stories to tell (ZZZZZZZZZZ). Now why don't you give me that before start checklist please....


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[~~~^~~~]

General Lee gets it.

These forums are a marketplace of ideas.

Some of us enjoy the business, enjoy the drama, and just can't give a crud about the E' Channel or the O' Channel that the wives keep on the 50 inch LCD when they are home.

.... and by the way... I've learned a lot about the F4

 

[737 Pylt]

General Lee gets it.

These forums are a marketplace of ideas.

Some of us enjoy the business, enjoy the drama, and just can't give a crud about the E' Channel or the O' Channel that the wives keep on the 50 inch LCD when they are home.

.... and by the way... I've learned a lot about the F4

You would have really enjoyed the DALPA forum back in the day before they threw off all the retired guys and the talk was all about NASCAR!
I miss those old days!

737

 

[~~~^~~~]

Now that's a debate....

 

[Noserider76]

You would have really enjoyed the DALPA forum back in the day before they threw off all the retired guys and the talk was all about NASCAR!
I miss those old days!

737

Those were the good days. Have you seen the forum lately? What seemed like a group ready to compromise to make this merger happen now seems almost universally for killing it if possible.

 

[GogglesPisano]

Speaking of the DALPA message board, is it my computer or is that website terribly slow to load?

 

[AA717driver]

7500

NASCAR needs to go back to selecting random frames off the assembly line and THEN the teams can start building their car for the year. None of this 'one size fits all' B.S. and none of this 'short track car' and 'superspeedway car'.

Run what you brung! TC

 

[Draginass]

That's why I don't watch NASCAR anymore. Nothing "stock" about that racing. Anyway it's ALL money, the cult of personality, and selling trinkets to rednecks now. Not about cars or sport.

And as far as the NW DAL merge goes, hopefully we'll see it soon dead instead of just "at risk."

 

[ExAF]

Used to

If anyone expects confidential info from me, then they will be upset. I post articles and like to debate the issues, that's it. I like the banter, and I ENJOY THIS FORUM. A lot of people don't like it when other people enjoy things. You can continue to call me a horses ass, I don't care, but guys like you are unhappy and bitter. But hey, I bet you have some great F-4 stories to tell (ZZZZZZZZZZ). Now why don't you give me that before start checklist please....


Bye Bye--General Lee

Typical GL retort...completely expected and predictable as usual. I USED to enjoy this forum a lot more when it was a great tool for gaining useful information for those looking to get hired at the airlines and advance the profession. Now it is more like driving by a car wreck and gawking for entertainment purposes. Those were before the days anyone would even think about 10K+ posts of nothing more than stirring the pot. I don't expect any confidential info from you since you aren't on the negotiating committee for DAL and that's the only way you would be privy to anything confidential. You continue to spread rumors and second hand info from "unamed sources" and idiotic news articles that do nothing constructive and continue to fan the flames and stir the pot. I'm sure your MEC (as ours has) has asked pilots not to believe all of this cr@p and not spread rumors like this, yet you continue to do so for your own twisted entertainment and sense of self-importance. If you ENJOY that aspect of this forum, then more power (or perceived power) to you. I will not continue to call you a horse's ass. That was a one time slip of the tounge for me. I was just glad to see that there are some DAL guys on the board that feel the same way about you as most everybody else. I didn't want them to think the rest of the world thinks they are all horses' asses (his words, not mine). For the record, I'm really not that old. I do have a lot of great F-4 stories, some even better A-37 stories and one reeeeeeally good F-16 story. The difference is, I don't usually talk about them unless somebody asks me first. I'm not unhappy or bitter. I am actually quite happy where I'm at right now since there is more to life than my main job. The only thing I might even remotely be bitter about would be the second furlough from NWA that was totally unnecessary and nothing more than a tool to use against the pilots going into bankruptcy. I don't let that eat at me though. I just keep it in the back of my mind to remind me that mgt is not my friend and certainly not my friend in a potential merger. I don't really care if this merger goes or not. I'm content where I'm at now and could live with a "go it alone" plan. If it does go, then I hope for a fair SLI and compensation from the company. I have no desire to move back down south and I could be happy finishing my career on a bus. The best part about flying the bus is I'll never have to give you a before start checklist.

 

[Diesel-9]

PHANTOMS PHOREVER!!!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQ1AYVcAS7k