Delta-Northwest Deal at Risk

[jetflier]

Have you ever seen a 767-400? I guess not. It is a lot larger than a 767-300ER, and probably carries more pax than your A330s. We have 21 of them, and they certainly pay more than your A330s or future 787s. CAL also flies them.


Bye Bye--General Lee

General,

The 767 is outdated, I think it came out in 1974 when fuel was $.50/gallon. Boeing doesn't even make them any more. They will be going to beer cans as soon as they can be replaced by a more efficient bird.

What is DAL going to replace them with? Are there any orders for new widebody replacements.

All I see at DAL is a handful of new fuel efficient 777's.

My point is NWA 's widebody fleet is newer and more fuel efficient than DAL's. The 767's are fuel thirsty old birds and will have to be replaced. Is DAL replacing them with smaller aircraft ? If not then what can we expect in future fleet plans.

NWA already has a widebody fleet plan, what is Delta's?

 

[FO 4 Life]

General,

The 767 is outdated, I think it came out in 1974 when fuel was $.50/gallon. Boeing doesn't even make them any more. They will be going to beer cans as soon as they can be replaced by a more efficient bird.

Boeing still makes the 767 and trust me, the old ones will not become beer cans. You just won't see them in the daytime.

 

[michael707767]

The 767 is outdated, I think it came out in 1974 when fuel was $.50/gallon. Boeing doesn't even make them any more. They will be going to beer cans as soon as they can be replaced by a more efficient bird.

actually you are wrong. The 787 is more fuel efficient, yes. But the cost of ownership is so high, it is still cheaper to fly the 767 until it's normal retirement time.

 

[filejw]

actually you are wrong. The 787 is more fuel efficient, yes. But the cost of ownership is so high, it is still cheaper to fly the 767 until it's normal retirement time.

Yup, just like a DC -9 just ask Anderson he was the decision maker on that.

 

[ExAF]

OK...You win

This is an easy one....1 word; 3 letters.........P A Y

OK...then you agree with me. The 319 pays the same as the 320. It pays more than the 9 so it shouldn't be grouped with the 9. You actually made my point for me...Thanks!

 

[Diesel-9]

Shack!!! Your 6 is clear ---...---

 

[Diesel-9]

Yup, just like a DC -9 just ask Anderson he was the decision maker on that. Heard him say that many times. Wouldn't doubt he pushes for the GPS mod right away.

 

[General Lee]

General,

The 767 is outdated, I think it came out in 1974 when fuel was $.50/gallon. Boeing doesn't even make them any more. They will be going to beer cans as soon as they can be replaced by a more efficient bird.

What is DAL going to replace them with? Are there any orders for new widebody replacements.

All I see at DAL is a handful of new fuel efficient 777's.

My point is NWA 's widebody fleet is newer and more fuel efficient than DAL's. The 767's are fuel thirsty old birds and will have to be replaced. Is DAL replacing them with smaller aircraft ? If not then what can we expect in future fleet plans.

NWA already has a widebody fleet plan, what is Delta's?

777LRs, with orders and options. The 777LR has the range of a 787, but can carry more pax and cargo, and pays more. We also have 737-800s (NGs) on order to eventually replace MD88s. The MD88s are spring chickens compared to your DC9-50s.

I see you have orders for 18 787s, and options for 50. What other orders do you have coming? You have no narrowbody orders, old cargo planes waiting to be parked with no actual replacements ordered for those also. It seems we both have orders or options for widebody INTL planes, and we--DL-- also have orders for some narrowbody domestic planes (50 73NGs), which you do not have.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[CitationLover]

Can we talk about the REAL merger the DOJ is deciding on soon. Us XM Radio subscribers want Howard Stern!

 

[General Lee]

OK...then you agree with me. The 319 pays the same as the 320. It pays more than the 9 so it shouldn't be grouped with the 9. You actually made my point for me...Thanks!

Our MD88 pays more than your A320 and A319, and should be placed above your mini-busses, right? Our MD90s pay more than our MD88s too.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Cessna340]

General,

The 767 is outdated, I think it came out in 1974 when fuel was $.50/gallon. Boeing doesn't even make them any more. They will be going to beer cans as soon as they can be replaced by a more efficient bird.

What is DAL going to replace them with? Are there any orders for new widebody replacements.

All I see at DAL is a handful of new fuel efficient 777's.

My point is NWA 's widebody fleet is newer and more fuel efficient than DAL's. The 767's are fuel thirsty old birds and will have to be replaced. Is DAL replacing them with smaller aircraft ? If not then what can we expect in future fleet plans.

NWA already has a widebody fleet plan, what is Delta's?

The 787 will replace the 767s at DAL. You seem to think the the only 787's in the world are coming to NWA. There are leasing company's with orders that will go to yet named airlines. Yes the wait for new orders is long, but our 767's have many years left in them. Delta can wait 8 years for 787's with out NWA. Actually, I doubt that the shorter range model you have on order is even the one delta wants. By far my concern is the heap of 9s on their way to the desert and the cargo op that is shutting down. That is huge in comparison to a handful of firm 78 orders...

 

[ACL65PILOT]

The 767 and 757 are currently not being produced, but if they get the KC version approved, I will guarantee that they will find space to open another production line.
Retro fit the engines and avionics and the thing could fly for 30 more years.

 

[Diesel-9]

Here we go again. Have an acquaintance working in the division. Studying the info/ranges of a/c to help decide replacement order. Talk of the 767 STC mods to add lift from CVG and DTW. Lots of good jobs! SMILE!http://www.aircargoworld.com/regions/northam_0108.htm

 

[IronCityBlue]

So now seniority integration goes by orders and options not on property, as well as by fuel efficiency (including airplanes not yet on property)! That's some funny schizzle!

 

[filejw]

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