NWA/DAL + Air France $750 Mil

[DTW320]

But wait, you don't have big delays in DTW, so where then? MSP or DSM? Maybe Minot or Fargo?

Bye Bye--General Lee

ATL when they turn the airport around. Or ATL trying to get out of 4 or 5N in the center of the RJ universe.

 

[General Lee]

ATL when they turn the airport around. Or ATL trying to get out of 4 or 5N in the center of the RJ universe.

When they turn the airport around? Doesn't that happen at any airport when they turn it around? And you don't have RJs at DTW? Come on now, that was weak.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[DTW320]

When they turn the airport around? Doesn't that happen at any airport when they turn it around? And you don't have RJs at DTW? Come on now, that was weak.

Bye Bye--General Lee

Oh, YOU edit your post to remove reference to MSP, DSM, MOT,& FAR regarding delays but I'm weak? Good one!

To answer your ? though, I've never seen a delay on turning the airport around like I have in ATL. Doesn't bother me though. Still paid by the hour. And, yes, we have RJ's in DTW, but nowhere NEAR the numbers you have in ATL

 

[Sedona16]

Right around when Gerry G. left Delta was getting ready to place an order for 125 787's. The merger timeline then picked up spead when Anderson came on board and those orders were not seen as necessary due to the birds NWA already had on order. If this merger falls through expect a larger order for 787's along with more 777's.

 

[Noserider76]

Right around when Gerry G. left Delta was getting ready to place an order for 125 787's. The merger timeline then picked up spead when Anderson came on board and those orders were not seen as necessary due to the birds NWA already had on order. If this merger falls through expect a larger order for 787's along with more 777's.

You're right there. Whitehurst spilled the beans on the 125 787s last summer which may be part of the reason he got the ax. Looks like Anderson may be setting up to say "we tried but couldn't do it, let's move on." Or maybe it's wishful thinking on my part. From his recorded mesage to employees Friday,

"Delta has a strong standalone plan and will only move forward with consolidation if such a move meets the company's goals." He offered no details on any talks, saying only, "We'll keep you posted."

 

[Schwanker]

....and the 787 is great for making bases like NRT obsolete.

I guess some folks won't get it. NRT is an enormous intra-Asia O&D market. 5th Freedom Rights allows you to play that market as if you're the hometown airline. Your limited vision of NRT is it's for connecting traffic. When $$ becomes obsolete, so will NRT.

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

I guess if NRT will be obsolete, you must lump ATL,CVG,CLT,PHL,DTW,DFW,MSP,ORD, etc. I don't understand why this is so hard to understand. While the 777,787 type a/c are able to overfly will there be the traffic? No. If you want to get from Macon to Manila lets say, you are going thru at least two hubs to get there. This is the value of NRT, just like ATL is for the Southeast.

I guess some folks won't get it. NRT is an enormous intra-Asia O&D market. 5th Freedom Rights allows you to play that market as if you're the hometown airline. Your limited vision of NRT is it's for connecting traffic. When $$ becomes obsolete, so will NRT.

 

[jetflier]

General,
You said "Looking for more 742s? Go look towards UPS--they are dumping theirs....Well, some aviation folks think the 744s are going to replace the 742s. High oil will make Steenland think twice about keeping that gas guzzling fleet alive. Look at every Pacific Rim airline out there flying cargo. Every one is replacing their 742s with 744s--JAL Cargo, NCA, Cathay, etc. They are also replacing their PAX 744s with 773s. The only airline adding larger planes is Singapore currently (A380)".

NWA management is smart. They have the best numbers , look at the last quarter results, even with the high price of fuel.

They look for aircraft that supply cheap lift, and then fly the H#ll out of them, thusly avoiding the high operating costs associated with new aircraft price$ and leasing costs.

Many of the asian carriers are government subsidised and will easilly pay for new aircraft. Asians are noted for maintaining the proper appearance, a custom of theirs. Maintaining face and keeping ahead of their rivals is so very importantant to them.

So, yes they are ridding their airlines of old aircraft, and aquiring new "fuel efficient" aircraft. but thats "saving face".

NWA will continue to look there for aircraft bargins, so don't write off our cargo ops just yet.

 

[johnsonrod]

General,
You said "Looking for more 742s? Go look towards UPS--they are dumping theirs....Well, some aviation folks think the 744s are going to replace the 742s. High oil will make Steenland think twice about keeping that gas guzzling fleet alive. Look at every Pacific Rim airline out there flying cargo. Every one is replacing their 742s with 744s--JAL Cargo, NCA, Cathay, etc. They are also replacing their PAX 744s with 773s. The only airline adding larger planes is Singapore currently (A380)".

NWA management is smart. They have the best numbers , look at the last quarter results, even with the high price of fuel.

They look for aircraft that supply cheap lift, and then fly the H#ll out of them, thusly avoiding the high operating costs associated with new aircraft price$ and leasing costs.

Many of the asian carriers are government subsidised and will easilly pay for new aircraft. Asians are noted for maintaining the proper appearance, a custom of theirs. Maintaining face and keeping ahead of their rivals is so very importantant to them.

So, yes they are ridding their airlines of old aircraft, and aquiring new "fuel efficient" aircraft. but thats "saving face".

NWA will continue to look there for aircraft bargins, so don't write off our cargo ops just yet.

Are you referring to the increasing number of Compass E175s and Mesaba CR9s?

 

[jetflier]

I guess if NRT will be obsolete, you must lump ATL,CVG,CLT,PHL,DTW,DFW,MSP,ORD, etc. I don't understand why this is so hard to understand. While the 777,787 type a/c are able to overfly will there be the traffic? No. If you want to get from Macon to Manila lets say, you are going thru at least two hubs to get there. This is the value of NRT, just like ATL is for the Southeast.

Great post.

Narita is a hub for connecting pax, but more importantly, originating traffic traveling beyond and into other asian and south pacific destinations. Northwest picks up incredible o&d traffic comprised of both passengers and freight.

The 787 mission has been explained to us a launching new nonstops from the US. Austrailia, Kuala lumpur as well as other impossible to reach destinations were mentioned as new 787 markets.

The 787 was never mentioned as a replacement for any aircraft, 'cause it is made for a new mission, thin ultra long-range flights, generating new markets.

 

[clippyrip]

The 787s are not even on the property so until that happens they dont belong to anyone. If they are aquired after a merger, would they not belong to the "new" entity and be bid on by whoever can hold them?

Let me guess.....you work for Delta.

 

[jetflier]

Johnson,....
" NWA will continue to look there for aircraft bargins, so don't write off our cargo ops just yet."

You missed the last sentence,....umless of course you're trying to flame us

 

[Superpilot92]

Are you referring to the increasing number of Compass E175s and Mesaba CR9s?

Those aircraft have a cap and will soon be capped out. How many 70 seaters does DAL have flying for you? You DAL guys sure are quick to throw out rants about the regional feed that NWA has but you guys are the Regional Jet Kings of the industry. Whats the limit on RJs DAL can have?

I know it might be hard for you guys to understand what Scope is or what a CAP means, since the reason scope is such a big deal these days is in large part thanks to DAL guys being to good to fly "small" jets.

Bottom line is all flying needs to be done by mainline pilots. Hopefully if a merger happens they will close scope and finally take it back.

 

[DTW320]

Those aircraft have a cap and will soon be capped out. How many 70 seaters does DAL have flying for you? You DAL guys sure are quick to throw out rants about the regional feed that NWA has but you guys are the Regional Jet Kings of the industry. Whats the limit on RJs DAL can have?

I know it might be hard for you guys to understand what Scope is or what a CAP means, since the reason scope is such a big deal these days is in large part thanks to DAL guys being to good to fly "small" jets.

Bottom line is all flying needs to be done by mainline pilots. Hopefully if a merger happens they will close scope and finally take it back.

According to the ALPA E&FA analysis Delta has 350% more ASM's provided by domestic regional affiliates than NWA. DAL regional affiliates produce 22% of DAL revenue vs 10% at NWA. Contract Carrier arrangements are 17% of DAL's total operating expense vs. 8% at NWA.

Cipherin's fun aint'it?

 

[sat74]

Let me guess.....you work for Delta.

Nope! Not NWA and not DAL! Just wondering out loud and waiting to hear thoughts on this whether they are right or wrong.